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talesoffantasy

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Monday, December 4th 2006, 9:39pm

Okay, for people who like the new single!!!

I am so sick of people complaining of scooter, and their lack of originality.

This is a sick song, the guitar work is awesome. This is the new club anthem you will be hearing. It's a club anthem, okay...they stuck a rapper in there, it's different. It's something new for them, and you got to think of it through their perspective, they are supposed to do what is in trend. Club music, rock, and rap are all in trend. They mix up three of those genres into one awesome song. And okay, they used a melody similar to the "Twilight zone" melody from 2Unlimited, which I am surprised no one pointed out. But, big deal, you are going to make melodies that at least a few hundred other artists might have used no matter what you are doing. There are only so many notes and keys you can use in certain styles.

Rap is big in trend, if you didn't get the picture from the song "the leading horse", then listen to the last album. HP was doing more rap type lyrics to Trancy and popish type music.

I think having a rapper who is just getting the crowd pumped up isn't bad for 30 seconds. I have to listen to rap for 8 hours every day at my job. Hearing it used for 30 seconds is nothing, even in a scooter song. And it's something they didn't really do before, it's new for them and for us.

Wait until the single comes out and give the other 10 songs that will join the full length, before going, "Oh man, scooter is crap!! What is with the rap?! Fuck Rap!!".

This is commercial music, they aren't an underground band...but they try to mix it up and give the fans a sound they like and a sound that a good amount of people in general will like. If you are fanatical with any band, you need to get out to clubs/bars more and here what's out there.

Scooter does more for dance music then what many don't, mix it up all the time and make every song sound different. That means using different genres, samples, lyrics, etc.
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Monday, December 4th 2006, 9:48pm

I dont agree with you on any level here. Sorry mate. :wink:


selling out is what they are doing. not following the trends.

Was break it up a BIG TREND? No. But they released it, because it was neat. Was shes the sun a BIG CLUB STOMPING ANTHEM. No.

Personally i think alot of rap is nonsense talk. Its just gibbrish and in no way connects with me.

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Monday, December 4th 2006, 10:03pm

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Personally i think alot of rap is nonsense talk. Its just gibbrish and in no way connects with me.

That's more your problem I guess..

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Monday, December 4th 2006, 10:04pm

You're right talesoffantasy.
They are one of a few bands that tried so many different styles of music, but still can be recognized as scooter. In creativity of sounds they are the no.1. Look at Ron van den beuken for example, he's one of my favourite trance producers but he uses the same sounds on every track and no one complains about it. When Scooter use 1 sample 2 times they are out of ideas. And they never used hip hop elements before, so it's new for them and shows that even today they try to bring up new ideas.

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Monday, December 4th 2006, 10:40pm

totally agree with: talesoffantasy
nice words!!!

When you don't like the new sinlge, why are you guys checking the forum 48 times a day to tell that you don't like the single....??

anyway... talesoffantasy is right...

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Monday, December 4th 2006, 11:01pm

nobody is right. im not right. tales isnt right. its opinion.

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Monday, December 4th 2006, 11:12pm

Yeah, agree. Scooter has tried a lot different stuff, and still does -- just hear the new song! :D To me all this talk about Scooter being too commercial and all that -- then why are they using HPV, HP's crazy lyrics, and make single choices they know won't sell as well as some other tracks would (and they have those other tracks on albums but not as singles!).

And personally, I don't care whatever they do, just as long as the music sounds great -- which it once again does, in my opinion. :D I'm completely happy with this new single, it's so difficult for me to wait the new album now..
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Monday, December 4th 2006, 11:12pm

I'm sorry, but in my opinion "BTC" is a bit cheap.
Reasons?
- no real banging "ear- worm" mellow in the chorus, instead of a real melody they try to use three different elements in one chorus (guitar sound, HP shouts and HPV) - but quantity doesn't mean quality. In former songs you couldn't get enough of the chorus, Scooter have always had a good taste in choosing melodies (so in "Fuck the Millenium", "Ramp!", "Friends", "Weekend" or "Seven Bridges"). But a lot of the latest songs and even singles have no real "ear-worm" melodies (so "Suavemente", "Hello" and "Shjake That!"), so many of them are no super sellers either
- rip - offs that are too obvious: in songs like "Posse", "Weekend" or "FasterHarder" the ripped elements were so different from the original songs that they already were something own, but the keyboard melody in the beginning is exactly the same as the one in "America" from the KLF - in Posse you couldn't identify that melody so easily!
- too much HP rap: in former times he gave more space to the melodies and the bass parts (like in "Fuck the Millenium" and "Friends", but today he's rapping through the whole song) - Scooter should really make a song which contains more SHOUTS and less raps from HP

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Monday, December 4th 2006, 11:15pm

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I'm sorry, but in my opinion "BTC" is a bit cheap.
Reasons?
- no real banging "ear- worm" mellow in the chorus, instead of a real melody they try to use three different elements in one chorus (guitar sound, HP shouts and HPV) - but quantity doesn't mean quality. In former songs you couldn't get enough of the chorus, Scooter have always had a good taste in choosing melodies (so in "f##k the Millenium", "Ramp!", "Friends", "Weekend" or "Seven Bridges"). But a lot of the latest songs and even singles have no real "ear-worm" melodies (so "Suavemente", "Hello" and "Shjake That!"), so many of them are no super sellers either
- rip - offs that are too obvious: in songs like "Posse", "Weekend" or "FasterHarder" the ripped elements were so different from the original songs that they already were something own, but the keyboard melody in the beginning is exactly the same as the one in "America" from the KLF - in Posse you couldn't identify that melody so easily!
- too much HP rap: in former times he gave more space to the melodies and the bass parts (like in "f##k the Millenium" and "Friends", but today he's rapping through the whole song) - Scooter should really make a song which contains more SHOUTS and less raps from HP



agreed. :wink:

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Monday, December 4th 2006, 11:42pm

haha, weekend's melody was completely the same thing as the melody from "push - universal nation". I am sure that was the push song they used melodies from, dude...that's so not true. They have taken exact melodies and just used them creatively.

Now, as for taken a melody someone else did and putting it into a song and making it work, especially from a different genre than dance, then you are right. The song has its own identity, but to say they took melodies and made it so it didn't sound like the original is wrong. If they did that, then there would be no complaints of "Scooter ripped off this melody exactly!!!". How many times have that been said? It's been said with every single. You are just don't like the song, plain and simple. You have your reasons, but Scooter does what they always do. They listen to music, get ideas, they are a colleague as they have said.

As for ScooterUSA, if you don't agree that is fine. If you don't like the song that is fine, but you still come on the forums and you are still going to be curious of the new album.

As for Scooter being sell-outs, were they sell-outs back then when they had Marc Arcandipane do shout-out lyrics on "Maria", almost in the same field as Lincoln XL? They are trying to sell records. Put yourself in their shoes and try to do what you want at their level of success. They are doing what they have to do, it's a commercial thing. They still get to express themselves, but also they have to do what could sell.

They can't go, "let's leave out this rap part, because the fans on our message board won't like it. Forget that rap is popular everywhere and that we perform live on public tv, we need to satisfy our real fanatical fans,". They are trying to, but they are also trying to get more fans, and also try different things. Cut them some slack.

I think the song rocks, if you don't like rap at all, then you won't like that one part. I grew up on rap, I don't like rap today and I don't listen to the old school stuff, but having that one part is kinda growing on me.

Are they sell-outs? Yeah, they have to sell records. Are they losing their sound, creativity, style? No...they evolve and change like any band. If you like it, cool. If you don't, go listen to someone else and don't support them. Plain and simple.
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Monday, December 4th 2006, 11:55pm

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I dont agree with you on any level here. Sorry mate. :wink:


selling out is what they are doing. not following the trends.

Was break it up a BIG TREND? No. But they released it, because it was neat. Was shes the sun a BIG CLUB STOMPING ANTHEM. No.

Personally i think alot of rap is nonsense talk. Its just gibbrish and in no way connects with me.


Me and you need to stop agreeing like this. :lol: It's scaring me. :D

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haha, weekend's melody was completely the same thing as the melody from "push - universal nation".


It was Push - Strange World *sigh* And apparently it pissed M.I.K.E. off, big time.

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No...they evolve and change like any band. If you like it, cool. If you don't, go listen to someone else and don't support them. Plain and simple.


No, they haven't evolved. They haven't evolved for fricken ages. That's exactly the problem. :x
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Tuesday, December 5th 2006, 12:11am

Break it Up and She's the Sun were pop songs, that's like saying "Stripped" wasn't a trend. They frikken covered a pop group, and made a techno-pop version. Hows' that not trendy or trying to do the same thing they did with "Behind The Cow".

It's no different, you just don't like rap. It's as simple as that. This has nothing to do with selling out. If it wasn't including the rap part, you would probably say different. The rap part occupies 30 seconds of the track. It's more of a thing to pump up the crowd than a rap verse, that's the whole purpose of it because most people listen to rap.
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Tuesday, December 5th 2006, 12:23am

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Break it Up and She's the Sun were pop songs, that's like saying "Stripped" wasn't a trend. They frikken covered a pop group, and made a techno-pop version. Hows' that not trendy or trying to do the same thing they did with "Behind The Cow".

It's no different, you just don't like rap. It's as simple as that. This has nothing to do with selling out. If it wasn't including the rap part, you would probably say different. The rap part occupies 30 seconds of the track. It's more of a thing to pump up the crowd than a rap verse, that's the whole purpose of it because most people listen to rap.


What the hell are you talking about? She's The Sun was following a trend? What trend? Yeah, chillout ballads were f*ckin' invading the charts back in 2000, weren't they? :lol:

And She's The Sun WAS something different. Behind The Cow is the same old generic stuff. About as fresh as Gandi's flip-flops!!

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If it wasn't including the rap part, you would probably say different. The rap part occupies 30 seconds of the track.


Don't think so. The rap part is just the biggest fly in a rather large pile of dung. There are other things about it i hate aswell.
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Tuesday, December 5th 2006, 12:30am

Not sure if it belongs in this (or amy other) topic - but the thought on my mind the last couple of days is:

Cut the (c)rap, get a slap
Drum and bass still on the map

:? :? :?

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Tuesday, December 5th 2006, 12:32am

Haha, that's a good one. :lol: :D
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Tuesday, December 5th 2006, 12:33am

Okay, I could debate with you. But, I like Scooter and I just come on here to post up my music really.

I rarely see what is going on here because it's usually guys like you bitching about Scooter.

Let me ask you, why are you here? Why are you here if you have hated Scooter for years?

I've hated wrestling for years, you know when the last time I saw it was. 6 years ago, I don't go to wwe.com or go on big wrestling forums to complain how much it sucks.

Go listen to someone you like, if you don't Scooter or feel they are selling out...why are you even here? This is a Scooter Forum, a lot of people here do like Scooter. If you don't like them, why would you come here and say it to begin with?

I think I'll leave this discussion to the soothsayers and Anti-Commercial people who probably wear commercial clothes. Later. I'm wrong, you win.
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Tuesday, December 5th 2006, 12:40am

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Let me ask you, why are you here? Why are you here if you have hated Scooter for years?

Go listen to someone you like, if you don't Scooter or feel they are selling out...why are you even here? This is a Scooter Forum, a lot of people here do like Scooter. If you don't like them, why would you come here and say it to begin with?


lol - I can't wait till Kujirudo reads that. I think he'll set you straight on that one. :lol:

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I think I'll leave this discussion to the soothsayers and Anti-Commercial people who probably wear commercial clothes.


I hate the love of money in all walks of life. It's not just some way-out thing that Jesus is supposed to have said - the love of money really is evil. If there is such a thing as evil.

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Later. I'm wrong, you win.


OK, if you say so.
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Tuesday, December 5th 2006, 12:42am

And this is pressing issues with Maris Chaves :lol:

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Tuesday, December 5th 2006, 12:52am

No-ones wrong in this - its a matter of personal opinion and taste - and no-one should leave because everyone does not agree with them

I have not hated Scooter for years - this music is my passion - one of the great loves of my life - and has been for several years now, and I can't even begin to describe what it means to me. I would die to listen to Scooter music - I have been called a fanatic here many times - maybe rightly - I don't know :?

I have love every track Scooter have ever produced until this - I am not saying Scooter sucks - but I certainly don't love this track the way I have loved all the others - and if I can't say so then sorry! - If you want to see how much I love Scooter then read my diary - on www.scootertechno.co.uk - for the first time in my life I feel that they have produced a track that I don't 100% like then much as it pains me I will say so - I don't believe that it should be a choice to either say everything is wonderful or go!

OK - if I don't like the album either I might decide to call it a day - but I don't believe that will happen - but what's wrong with people who have been fans for a long time expressing a rare negative view? - and I think most of the negative things wriiten in the past couple of days are not 100% negative - just people who don't like certain aspects of the track

For a long time I have been on the "Scooter's perfect" side listening to critism I have not agreed with (even hated) - but I don't think I have ever either advised anyone to go for not liking a single track - or said I will go myself because not everyone agrees with me :?

...its different if someone critisises everything they do - but for most of us at the moment that is not the case

It would be a very sad day for me if I only felt welcome here to praise Scooter and was afraid to occasionally say I don't really like something they do :?

:( :( :( For the first time in the years I have been here I don't like 20% of a track and I feel like a Fucking criminal sometimes - someone who should be outcast!

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Tuesday, December 5th 2006, 12:58am

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No-ones wrong in this - its a matter of personal opinion and taste - and no-one should leave because everyone does not agree with them

I have not hated Scooter for years - this music is my passion - one of the great loves of my life - and has been for several years now, and I can't even begin to describe what it means to me. I would die to listen to Scooter music - I have been called a fanatic here many times - maybe rightly - I don't know :?

I have love every track Scooter have ever produced until this - I am not saying Scooter sucks - but I certainly don't love this track the way I have loved all the others - and if I can't say so then sorry! - If you want to see how much I love Scooter then read my diary - on www.scootertechno.co.uk - for the first time in my life I feel that they have produced a track that I don't 100% like then much as it pains me I will say so - I don't believe that it should be a choice to either say everything is wonderful or go!

OK - if I don't like the album either I might decide to call it a day - but I don't believe that will happen - but what's wrong with people who have been fans for a long time expressing a rare negative view? - and I think most of the negative things wriiten in the past couple of days are not 100% negative - just people who don't like certain aspects of the track

For a long time I have been on the "Scooter's perfect" side listening to critism I have not agreed with (even hated) - but I don't think I have ever either advised anyone to go for not liking a single track - or said I will go myself because not everyone agrees with me :?

...its different if someone critisises everything they do - but for most of us at the moment that is not the case

It would be a very sad day for me if I only felt welcome here to praise Scooter and was afraid to occasionally say I don't really like something they do :?


That was a brave post, Sandra. I respect you a lot of that, believe me. Not that i didn't respect you before.
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