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You want them to evolve? Well, why not a Hardstyle-track then. But i know already, you would not be happy then either. So same story... Or maybe some german melodies would do the trick. :lol:

Quoted from ""MC A.H""

Have you noticed that we are not talking about single tracks. Scooter as a whole hasn't changed. We need evolving. But we don't mean with it unscooterish stuff like Shake That and Suavemente. You know you can evolve even with your old sound. That's what happened with older Scooter. New sound for every album but still it sounded Scooter.

huh? all attmepts to show some evolved sounds have been heavily critisised. no wonder Scooter turned back to the old, success-concepts...

Yeah. If Scooter would have not evolved at all, they would still play Happy Hardcore. Not very popular these days.

And you don't seem to get it. EVOLVING CAN HAPPEN WITHIN THE STYLE THEY PLAY! Which isn't happening right now. Evolving doesn't mean that they should abandon the styles they can do.

and when they tried to evolve with two different singles they got massive negative feedback!

Quoted from ""Sheffieldsfan""

and when they tried to evolve with two different singles they got massive negative feedback!

You...you didn't even read what he posted, did you?

yes I did, but we seem to have different point sof views...but maybe you can enlighten me...?

My computer cut out on me when i was writing a message so here goes for the second time of trying. :twisted:

This is what evoultion means to me in terms of Scooter.

Scooter started out with a ravey, happy hardcore sound with heavy early trance influences. Then they had an ambient, chilled phase. They also used a lot of broken beats in tracks like Our Happy Hardcore and When I Was A Young Boy. By the time Axel arrived you had a toughening up of the sound and introduction of electro sounds with tracks like Frequent Traveller and We Are The Greatest. In BTTHWJ the sound became quite minimalist, what you might describe as an "industrial techno" sound. It was quite gritty in places. But on NTTC and BTTHWJ you could still hear a reminiscence of the chilled style with the pianos in tracks like Expecting More From Ratty and Well Done Peter. WBTN was, to me, the hybrid of BTTHWJ. It still contained a minimalist style in places but also brought that together with older sounds like electro in Burn The House and the happy hardcore pianos in Posse and I Shot The DJ. Then we had the HPV phase with singles like Ramp, Weekend, Nessaja.... Now what do we have?

To me, we have this random combination of perdictable 3rd chapter single material (Hello, One, Rock Bottom etc), generic trance (Mesmerized, Level One etc) and these unusual one off experiments (The Leading Horse, Shake That, Suavemente, Apache). As a whole the sound isn't moving on.

maybe Scooter tried to evolve further from their Dance music they made with Nessaja, weekend,...and released shake that and suave...but then, people complained a lot (and, supposably , the sales went down), so they found back to the 3rd chapter beginning style (and luckily left out the high pitched parts in their singles)

Then why MTG was just...something with not real evolving. it was just various tracks in the one album. It didn't sound like a album...

Quoted from ""Sheffieldsfan""

maybe Scooter tried to evolve further from their Dance music they made with Nessaja, weekend,...and released shake that and suave...but then, people complained a lot (and, supposably , the sales went down), so they found back to the 3rd chapter beginning style (and luckily left out the high pitched parts in their singles)

Maybe they did. Maybe they were looking to take their overall sound down the house/electro/disco route. I personally would have welcomed that, as an evolution in any direction is better than no evolution at all. But i think most Scooter fans want Scooter to keep their sound hard. But they can still keep the sound hard and evolve.

Quoted from ""pjad_uk""

But they can still keep the sound hard and evolve.

Exactly

maybe...but can you please explain me, what MCAH meant, ifnot what we cleared out here?

Quoted from ""Sheffieldsfan""

maybe...but can you please explain me, what MCAH meant, ifnot what we cleared out here?

Which bit of what MCAH said?

what do you mean? what is missing for it to be an album?

Do too many experimental tracks make an album a mere collection of songs???

Quoted from ""scooterusa""

Quoted from ""MC A.H""

Then why MTG was just...something with not real evolving. it was just various tracks in the one album. It didn't sound like a album...

hes right. there wasnt really a feel to it.

MTG, in my opinion, was closer to an overall sound than WGTLLN. Overall, it did hint at house with tracks like The Avenger's Back, Shake That, Suavemente. But when you shove tracks like One, full on happy hardcore tracks like All I Wanna Do and yet more generic trance along with these house songs the album loses that feeling of "track unity".

WGTLLN was a lot worse for me. It was so random and lacking direction.

so an album MUST have a red thread/string going through it?

Quoted from ""Sheffieldsfan""

Do too many experimental tracks make an album a mere collection of songs???

No. But too many styles in the one album makes. It is not right that one track is happy hardcore, one track is discohouse, one track is techhouse, then one track with synthpop influents, couple of trancetracks, one electrotrack... Too many styles.