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Thursday, June 8th 2006, 11:40pm
Quoted from ""pjad_uk""
To channel all the frustration into one topic - all the arguments, all the criticisms concerntrated in one place so that it's plain for all to see (including Scooter) and not clogging up the rest of the forum by being repeated constantly in other places. That's the point - if i need one. Who knows? We might even convert a few more people - there seem to plenty of these conversions these days.
Thursday, June 8th 2006, 11:41pm
1. Scooter have always covered and sampled - but this sampling has gotten out of control. The band needs to try and be original as it possibly can mainly for the integrity of the band itself.
2. Scooter make good albums - but they produce them far too quickly. Scooter need to stop churning out albums for the sake of it and concern themselves more with quality over quantity. The band would be respected by the industry and fans a lot more if they were seen to be making music for the love of making it rather than be seen to be on a "musical gravy train", printing the dollars quicker than they can spend them. Simply - their albums would be better if they spent longer making them.
3. Scooter have always been a commercialised band - but, following on from the last point, the group need to stop trying to be a commercial, chart band and be more true to themselves as producers. If the commercial scene likes a Scooter production and latches onto it, thus making the guys a lot of money, then fair enough - but the No.1 objective should be making music that is 100% sincere to the moods, feelings, talents and expressions of the artists concerned - music for the love music. It's not about chart positions and platinum awards, and top of the pops, TV performances or radio airplay. It's about music!
4. Scooter's music up until 2002 was a progression - an evolution. Listen to Hyper Hyper and then listen to Ramp you can hear the difference. Listen to everything in between you can see how they've gone from one sound to the next. Each albums has it's own sound. But sadly the band haven't evolved their sound since Nessaja. Each single follows the same old forumla, each album follows the same formula - sadly even the instrumentals (as awesome as they are) are starting to sound the same. e.g. Coldwater Canyon is quite different to Rhapsody In E yet Trance-Atlantic and Mesmerized are so so similar. The word is predictable. Yeah, Suavemente and Shake That were stylistic experiments yet they still had the same structure as all the modern singles, which quite frankly is boring and stinks of commercialism. Scooter need to change their sound and need to make future albums represent a holistic sound that hasn't been tried previously.
5. Finally, the band in earlier years were all about having fun - craziness, having a laugh. They didn't take themselves so seriously. Furthermore, it was about US - "ravers unite" etc. The Union of band and fans. Now, slowly but surely (something that we saw as early as Faster Harder Scooter - but even FHS had more references to the fans and the union between fans and band in the lyrics) things have got so serious musically. There's this arrogance - this hyper-coolness that worked at first but is now just backfiring. The lyrics on WGTLLN were just too much for me. H.P. needs to stop being this gangster rapper and start being the fun-loving, fan-loving MC he once was.
The band have to realise that their "demise" has nothing to do with quality of music produced. The quality is still there. The "demise" has been ensured by other factors that need addressing.
Looking at Scooter current material holistically there's clearly something not quite right. As i've said before the problem is progression.
What was so great about the 'old Scooter' was that it changed constantly between each album. You could trace Scooter's development as a band - they started out as with an old skool, ravey style mixed with melodic trance elements - this moved on to Wicked with a softer, more ambient sound along with the pianos. From this we had Age Of Love which moved in almost a synth popish direction with tracks like She Said and Hit The Drum. With NTTC and BTTHWJ we had a toughening up of this sound, which by BTTHWJ had become quite gritty, techy, "industrialized" and minimalist. Always progressing.
But somebody describe to me where Scooter's sound is going now? The last 2 albums have really just been a predictable assortment of typical "Scooter single material", generic trance and some rather random 'house/hip-hop' experiments. Scooter's sound is good, but it ain't going anywhere these days. In fact, i would argue they haven't really got a "sound' or a specific vibe to them at all anymore. As i said, the stuff they come out with today, may sound good in most cases, but it all sounds quite "mixed up" stylistically, to me.
Thursday, June 8th 2006, 11:48pm
Thursday, June 8th 2006, 11:48pm
@MariaFerreiro
Your lyrical experssion is one of the biggest things Scooter is so cheesy. Usually vocals in electronic music makes it sound commercial and those are usually placed there for that reason. Personally I don't mind about vocal tracks, but c'mon. Scooter had 3 instrumentals in the last album which is too few IMO. Especially when H.P. is just praising himself.
New sounds? Which are new sounds? I bet that every sound have been used before by Scooter or someone else. I doubt that there are any new sound in WGTTLN. Of course if you mean that eurodance is new thing...
I strongly disagree with you with repeating singles. Theyt are repeating themselves. Even our dear Dave From Sheffield could notice that One and Hello are nearly the same track. And that's how commercialism works. Once something has been popular, they try to make it again. Just listen modern dance-scene. Every sound have been used for couple of years and Scooter doesn't bring new ideas anymore to the dance-scene.
@Magic Voice
Actually I agree that 3rd chapter albums doesn't sound the same. Problem is that WGTLLN still sounds veyr much like Nessaja or Maria or Soul Train. There are maybe Take Me Baby and The Leading Horse which really are surprising. I agree with you that See Me, Feel Me is a fine track. HPV fits into that track pretty well. But there are missing tat thing what makes it amazing. And it still has eurodance-melody which sounds like it has been used 10 years ago. But I hate Rock Bottom.
Those new sounding tracks...
Take Me Baby sounds pretty stupid with it's benassi-bassline. I do like the track because it grows before the end but it is really stupid in the beginning. And h.P. really can't sing.
Apache repeats itself whole the time. Nothing new comes after half minute.
The Leading Horse...Most embarrassing track in the history of Scooter. With evolving we didn't mean we want commercial r'n'b influences to Scooter or H.P. da rapper.
I want too Scootersound with fresg beats, freh sounds and good vocals. IMO Scooter haven't done it after WBTN. Even instrumentals that i love are just usual trance-stuff.
Of course it isn't guaranteed that track would be better when working longer in the studio. Point is that then Scooter would have time to find some new sounds, new ideas and make 12 track LP with those. And of course because Rick and H.P. have done working non-stop for over 10 years. They are little bit tired for all it and more time in the studio would help it.
Thursday, June 8th 2006, 11:49pm
The guys have proven time and time again that they can make qualitymusic (Hyper Hyper, FHS, etc) but since a certain Frog entered the group, everything is just crap.
They haven't made a really good song since.. Well, Frog hasn't contributed to anything of value. The question comes to mind, was it all thanks to Ferris and Axel?
Were they the power behind the old classics?
H.P and Rick, are they just greedy middle-aged men with no dignity?
And Frog? Seems like he's just a puppet, following the puppeteers.
The only one who seemed to truly, truly enjoy himself was Mantas, and nobody cared about him.
The problem is, the Scooter-fans are not what one would call "intelligent fans". This is not a question of intelligence, it's a question of demand.
They don't have to deliver to please their fans, a mediocre album, single, show is enough to satisfy most of them, whereas other bands and groups
need to show their quality, and can't get away with so-so performances.
This is why Scooter is so sorely in need of some sort of change right now.
Those of you who can't hear that H.P's damn voice is near broken must really let someone check your ears. Seriously.
There's something wrong with it.
As a frontman, do not destroy your voice by smoking.
Thursday, June 8th 2006, 11:49pm
A quick word here - its fine to quote yourself of course - but don't quote anyone else out of context please - unless they agree
and it really would help to know the context in which the original comments were made
Thursday, June 8th 2006, 11:50pm
http://www.electro-heaven.com//forum/showthread.php?t=5212
A topic I made a couple of months back, which kinda sums up my thoughts. Althoug I've later come to out the blame on all three of them instead of focusing on Frog.
Thursday, June 8th 2006, 11:55pm
First of all I'm tired so forgive me if I am too mean. Anyway I have read lot about ARTB being boring or being so fantastic. I just can't let you speak without knowing why I dislike ARTB. So I'll give you now more than two sentences. Sit back, relax. This is a trip into my thoughts.
Of course first we knew Apache and Rock The Bottom. First of all I have to say that I didn't like those songs even in samples. And not even in full track. In the case of Rock Bottom I have to say it has potential to be a lot better. Baxxter's shouts are extremely good and melodies under those sounds are actually pretty tastyBut then again I have strong dislike about that german trancemelody. First of all I didn't like it in Explode and Scooter didn't magically transform it into better. In my opinion electronic music is all about progression and discovering new sounds. If something have been overused, then I don't like it. Explode-melody wasn't new and innovative even when it was released. And Scooter can't change the fact that those germans have used that same sound for years after years. That's why most of the people even dislikes trance when there isn't nearly anything to do with trance... And then came that rotter rotter rotter dam dam dam. I don't know why some of you like that part. To me it mostly sounds embarrassing... Apache sounded nice for a little moment. But, yes there is a but, when track was over you noticed that nothing happened. It just stayed in one place and never left that spot. That's why I say it's boring. Then I heard that next single would be Apache Rocks The Bottom. I thought great. THis might even work. But did it?
Radio Edit is actually best version. But it doesn't mean that it's good. I think it's just average. I found some good there too. It was much more melodic than previous singles after Jigga Jigga (Club Mix rocks). And c-part is actually pretty nice. But what makes it bad is that Rock Bottom and Apache doesn't fit at all. Rock Bottom needs some powerful mainmelody. But melody from Apache is just way too light for Rock Bottom. That's why I think it's average.
I said radio edit is best version. Yeah clearly. Other tracks from single have big mistakes. Extended mix sometimes is best version you can get (The Night, She's The Sun for an example). But in this case all Scooter have done is that they put 1,5 minute of banging in the beginning and then it was nothing more than a radio edit. Propably you would say that 1,5 minute banging is for dj's not to me. Right, that would explain that, but why there isn't 1,5 minute banging ALSO in the end? And Extended Mix didn't bring the same melodies bit longer or something?
Oh and then there's a Dub Mix. Even if I said that ARTB is most melodic from a recent Scooter singles, it doesn't mean anything. This one just shows how much Scooter nowadays stands for H.P. shouts. When those have been cut out, only thing there's left is banging with boring melodies. Good job indeed Scooter lads. Every Scooter fans wants banging and doesn't want anything else right? And there's no problem with tracklength itself. I have no problems for listening 12-minute progtrance track if it sounds good and fresh all the time. Dub Mix of ARTB doesn't actually sound anything.
Apache (Club Mix). Wow! I wanted this...not. Already album version was boring and I want nearly everytime after 2 minutes to change the track. It doesn't change anything when into that boredom they bring 2 extraminutes and made it to 5,5 minute club track. Only positive thing I can say expect what I said about Apache in the beginning, is that luckily Scooter didn't made this into full-lenght club track which would have been about 7-8 minutes. If I would have heard that one, I would propably died for it being so boring.
And Dub Mix and Club Mix aren't even the worst thing in the single. I would have new b-side, which are usually pretty good ones. But this time there is something very odd. What the f**k is Snipper all about? Okay we have resulted it as a ringtone. But ringtones are just ringtones. There's no need to put 30 second track to a CD when propably no-one even will put it as a ringtone. Mostly it's just annoying.
Another stupid thing is a next track. Countdown is total nonsense. Okay it might be fun for last 1,5 minutes of the year, but when average listeners tries to listens it, propably that listener would say it's bulls*it. Who really wants ticking, couple of shouts and fireworks to a CD and most of all, listens to that? And I think ARTB was released only in Germany-area before NYE. So Scooter was even late with that nonsene. I just wonder where this goes. Will there be a track in next album where H.P. farts and shouts "YEAH!" and then some people will say like "OMG! THIS IS BEST THING EVER DONE! I WANT THIS AS A SINGLE!". Just how long Scooter will go with teasing even it's own fans. Scooter is biting it's own leg.
I don't like this single. It's propably worst single Scooter have ever released. Even Suavemente wins it with Trance-Atlantic as a b-side. Most of all it's because idiotic versions of ARTB when Radio Edit wasn't yet a bad one. But s*it like Shake That, Suavemente, ARTB and WGTLLN (expect for couple good tracks) have resulted new decision which I even wouldn't have think 1,5 year ago. I propably will not buy next album if it continues to be this s*it. Oh god how much I hope Scooter would make the same trick like it did with "We Bring The Noise!". After bad album a real gem. But in the time of Jay, we can expect the same thing that Scooter have released in 3rd chapter.
Friday, June 9th 2006, 12:03am
If Scooter had spent longer playing around with ideas and developing them, Watch Out might have been a much better track...
...Who knows, if Scooter had spent 2 years making MTG Panties Wanted might not have even made it onto the final record as they could have had several other tracks that worked far better to replace it with.
... If the tracks were of a higher quality we wouldn't need such a huge bulk of tracks to satisfy us...
To use a metaphor - i like junk food. It tastes nice. But it's processed quickly and doesn't taste as nice as freshly prepared food. Because it's not of as high quality you get hungry more quickly, thus needing more food more quickly. Thus you each more junk food to satisfy yourself. Because you eat so often you get bored of eating. Eating is no longer a pleasure and you are locked in the habit of quick fix hunger remedies. But if food is freshly prepared it takes a lot longer to prepare. More thought goes into it - consideration as to the amount and nature of ingredients. You have more scope for choice as to what you include and what you don't. You might even change your mind about a certain ingredient. The variety of meals you can cook from day to day is greater. The final product is far superior to your Big Mac or Whopper - it tastes nicer and is better for you. Because it's such high quality it satisfies your hunger for longer, you go longer without eating but when you do eat you enjoy eating - it becomes a pleasure you look foward to more.
^ The same goes for the production and release of music. The difference between spending 2 years producing an album and spending less than 1 is like the difference between going to MacDonalds for your dinner or going to a high class gormet restaurant.
Friday, June 9th 2006, 12:10am
Evolutions is certainly necessary for changes.Humans developed with evolution, so we can see that evolution is necessary for development of new ideas, innovacy and so on...As pjad and some others say the problem is predictability, I can claim that I know exactly how will the next single sound!Let's look at 3 examples:One, Hello! and ARTB:
One:
1-->H.P. self praising
2-->Refrain words(....i feel hardcore...always hardcore...)
3-->Main melody
4-->H.P. again
5-->Refrain words
6-->Main melody
7-->Slowing down
8-->Main melody for the last time and H.P.'s philosophy
Hello!:
1-->H.P. self praising
2-->Refrain words(...hello, hello, good to be back,...)
3-->Main melody
4-->H.P. again
5-->Refrain words
6-->Main melody
7-->Slowing down
8-->Main melody for the last time and H.P.'s philosophy
Apache rocks the bottom:
1-->H.P. self praising
2-->Refrain words(...Rock Bottom!, Yeah,...)
3-->Main melody
4-->H.P. again
5-->Refrain words
6-->Main melody
7-->Slowing down
8-->Main melody for the last time and H.P.'s philosophy
All I had to change was refrain words, because structure remains the same.And it's not only about singles, if you compare most of album tracks with the concept above, you must see similarity, except you are blind, deaf or sth. else.As you already said about instrumentals...most of you find inst. from 3rd chapter great, but I find them bad, some even very bad, except the most on TSTE, because they all sound the same and you must listen 100x times to one particular that you're able to recognize it among the others.
I have a feeling that Rick's responsibility for uncreativity is large indeed, because he has ran out of ideas or he has just become too lazy to innovate and present new, fresh changes to the music.
Yes, much to say.Just compare 4 albums of 1st, 2nd and 3rd chapter.You can immediately spot the difference in the sound in 1st and 2nd chapter, each album is it's own, new dimension, brings fresh, powerful tracks, but after TSTE, which was last great album, all is the same.
I believe Scooter have hit a similarly low ebb (both creatively and in terms of commercial success < not that i'm overly concerned about Scooter's commercial success) with WGTLLN and Apache Rocks The Bottom. And a similar amount of hard graft (if not more) and creative self-discovery is needed to reinvent this band. This band are at a serious crossroads, in my opinion. Not just commercially, but creatively.
Maybe, but this period lasts for some time and many fans have already left Scooter.I doubt that we'll get another big surprise like Posse that will convince fans that Scooter are still alive.(although Posse isn't among my favourites)
Its not a 3rd chapter thing. Axel makes S##t now too. Its about scooter being lazy, which has nothing to do with frog.
Well, it is a 3rd chapter thing, both Rick and H.P. do not seem interested in their own creativity and Jay probably doesn't even want to stimulate them.But you're right, Axel also makes big S##t now.
Sometimes I wander about Rick's talent...is he really talented or he had just few ideas that he and Ferris realized in first few albums and then he started simply covering/ripping to save time and earn the same.Some people say he's very talented but sometimes it seems to me that he's soooo f##k lazy that he's almost not able to produce one own unique track but just collects parts, puts it into device and the song is made.
Friday, June 9th 2006, 12:37am
Some people discuss here what Scooter should change and what they miss. But you know what is terrific for me? It's the fact that it's too late. I think it's over. The times when Scooter was a band connected with people (I hate to say "fans"...) won't back. Remember the great come back in 2001 after not "scooterish" "Sheffield"? It were times when they were making music for people. Now they are making music for money. And I can't think in different way. Not after last 3 singles, not after last album. It's also impossible thing for me that they will be band like they used to be. From great band they became junk band for teen-ager's buying everything with Scooter logo.
For me "Mind The Gap" is definitely better album than "Who's Got The Last Laugh Now?". At first I didn't know what to think about different "MTG" style and tracks like "Shake That!", "Stripped", "My Eyes Are Dry". But now I think it was the right direction. It was something new after brilliant "The Stadium Techno Experience" and what is most important - still very good.
But I don't really know what Scooter guys wanted to offer us with "WGTLLN?" album. It's nothing but step back in Scooter music. This album maybe could be interesting for me if it would be released in 2002 before "TSTE". But now? It's just repeating overused things and what is worst, not in a very good way.
what is so hard to write some short own lines again like Posse Posse I need you on the Floor for those tracks instead of copying lyrics from other artist songs...
I'm also wondering about this. What kind of musicians they are if they are not able to write own melodies? And what the hell they were doing for whole year? Negotiating with Jordan & Baker or The Police how much money they must pay? And now I understand the title of this album.
It's like "We can buy well-known "Expolde" melody, barefacedly call it "Scooter track", and even that you will buy the album! Who's Got The Last Laugh Now?"
After few months I can say clearly: "WGTLLN?" dissapointed me.
I always liked Scooter for new sounds and cool ideas, but this album definitely can't offer nothing new. Like denait said it's like one step back on Scooter music. This album could be something good if it would be released in 2002 before "TSTE" and "MTG". But now, listening to it is like hearing the same joke for 1000 time. What is worst, not the best joke.
There are the same eurodance-melodies (...) It's uninnovative, boring and very simple.
I agree here in 100%.
I want Scooter to evolve and move to somewhere from the place where they have been from the year 2001.
This is exactly what I think and what Scooter really need if they still want to "be on the case" and matter in this business. But I think that "TSTE" was really great album, one of the Scooter best and the best piece of dance music in 2003. Even "MTG", after some time turned out that it's really good album and I like to return to it (even "The Avenger's Back" main melody and "Panties Wanted" make me sick).
In my opinion Scooter is not dead but there is definitely something wrong. When I'm listening to "WGTLLN?" I hear that tracks are technically good. But it's not that like in the past. I think that Scooter lost their spirit. I don't know how but I don't feel that "thrill" anymore when I listening new tracks. I thought that I get too old for this. So I checked "Our Happy Hardcore", "Awakening", "I Shot The DJ" and some more. And what I noticed? Those tracks are still great for me.
"WGTLLN?" contains some good tracks like "Privileged To Witness", "Mesmerized" or "Everlasting Love" but as a wholeness it's "uninnovative, boring and very simple" like MC A.H said.
This is my opinion, and I'm definitely not happy that my favourite band dissapoint me. But I'm not going to act like some idiot and write in every topic that "Scooter is S##t nowdays and evil Jay Frog ruin everything (what is totally childish because people responsible for Scooter music are >H.P. Baxxter, Rick J. Jordan, Jay Frog<, not >Jay Frog<, get that in your mind).
The only obvious and sad result is that I don't listen Scooter new album. I hope that Scooter which I liked so much will come back some day. Better late than never.
I'm really tired of "which track should be single games". It's obvious that track that we want as a single won't be released! They said that fan's opinions are important for them, but in fact they don't give a f##k about fans.
I had lost my patience and faith in Scooter (decisions). When "Shake That!" came up - I thought: "ok, it's not big deal, let's say that it's a single for fun". When "Suavemente" was released I thought: "ok, it's a flop, but let's say that they just want to experiment a little and something like this won't have place in the future". But "Apache Rocks The Bottom!" is exaggeration. I'm sick of those not scooterish experimental singles. This is Scooter or what??? I thought that "WGTLLN?" will be great comeback to scooterish style singles like "Jigga Jigga!", "The Logical Song" or "Posse (I Need You On The Floor)" after tracks like "Suavemente". And what? Everybody knows what.
Maybe "Who's Got The Last Laugh Now?" isn't Scooter best album, it not contains some super fresh sounds and ideas, but it still contains some really good tracks which should be released as a singles. But Scooter guys waste it once again! They waste great drum and bass structure and H.P. shouts of "Rock Bottom" by adding to them some antiquated-sound western melody.
I voted for "Everlasting Love" (best example what I mean by definition "scooterish track"), "See Me, Feel Me" also would be great. But I'm not so naive. I don't even think that "Seven Bridges" will be a single. I'm sure that 3rd single will be flower like "The Leading Horse" or "Take Me Baby". Those tracks are good, especially "Take Me Baby", but for God's sake - not as a Scooter single!
I can admit - "Apache Rocks The Bottom!" is a good track, quite nice idea to cover "Apache" melody, and overall it's quite good. But only quite good. In fact it's good track but not good as a Scooter single. Scooter single should be something special like in the past. Just look at top ten 2003 singles - no f.ucking experiments, just pure Scooter wicked style tracks. Tracks like "Weekend!", "Maria (I Like It Loud)", "Jigga Jigga!" were real bombs and after you heard those you thought: "this is Scooter".
But since "Shake That!" there were only one Scooterish single "One (Always Hardcore)". They started to experiment but for what? What they want to demonstrate us? I say: THIS IS S##t. In the past I was proud about Scooter singles because they were choosing the the best tracks and in "Scooter-single typical style".
The lack of success isn't came from they lack of talent but because of idiotic single release decisions. Just imagine that in 2003 they first single would be "Level One" with words for example. Anybody believe that it would reach #2 like "Weekend!"? And then The album #7 position also would be impossible. I mean that "Level One" is a cool track but not for a single! It's the same with "Hello! (Good To Be Back)" - very good track but very weak 1st single from the album. Scooter guys really thought that this track could promote "WGTLLN?" album well? Damn if they wanted chart success there must be good promotion. And singles are the best promotion for album. Why they didn't release "See Me, Feel Me"? I don't give a damn that it contains HPV - it's typical Scooter wicked style track which is admited even by some people whose don't like Scooter present music.
And now? "ARTB!" - I like this track but it don't have this special thing that make you feel crazy when you listen to it like "Weekend!" or "Jigga Jigga!".
They think that they are cool because they are experimenting. OK, but how many times? I thought that after "Shake That!", and flowers like "Panties Wanted", "Suavemente" would be last f.ucking experiment. But no.
I would like some wicked freaky Scooter track for a single like "Everlastnig Love" with added some synth melody after vocal. But I know it's impossible.
So I'm waiting for "The Leading Horse" as a 3rd album single and Scooter guys can say "goodbye" to their reputation for good.
They should experiment but not with covering old tunes but with creating some wicked sounds and mellows which suprise everyone and bring back their good name.
This is how I see it.
Friday, June 9th 2006, 12:43am
Scooter are unfortunately FORCED to follow a marketing trend, to make more and more money, because if they didnt they would be left behind, and probably wouldnt exist.
No, no, no. Music is not about making money. Or at least, it shouldn't be any artist's primary objective. Music isn't just making a living - it's a vocation of self-expression. The goal of money making can only distort and trivalize music.
Good artists will always (chart sucess or not, rolling in money or not) have fans and people who appreciate their music. Scooter should focus on making music for the love of making music, express themselves 100% as artists - if that happens to be successful commercially then fine. But they shouldn't be forced to follow a market trend. That will only make it more difficult for them to make music that is true to themselves as a band. Scooter's music should be 100% Scooter's and not the product of market trends and franchise techniques.
I think in terms of what i want Scooter to represent as a band - i.e. top quality original music, music that is a pure expression of the band as music makers and not as money makers - the first 3 albums are "the best". Admittedly, however, the first few albums do lack the professional edge in production and use of technology.
If only Scooter could marry that "professional", cutting-edge sound that comes with experience and improved technology with the free spirited originality and expressionism that oozes out of ...ATBGO, OHH and Wicked!
Oh, and another thing i've just thought ...
Does anyone remember when, according to Scooter's "history books", Scooter were on a low ebb following the "flops" that were I'm Your Pusher, She's The Sun and Sheffield? How Scooter supposedly locked themselves away in the studio and slaved over the next album, putting their all into it? What resulted? Posse - a single seen by many of the fans as Scooter's "defining" single release. We Bring The Noise - an album widley regarded as one of Scooter's best. And a period of unprecedented success in the band history which sustained itself until around the release of Weekend and TSTE.
I believe Scooter have hit a similarly low ebb (both creatively and in terms of commercial success < not that i'm overly concerned about Scooter's commercial success) with WGTLLN and Apache Rocks The Bottom. And a similar amount of hard graft (if not more) and creative self-discovery is needed to reinvent this band. This band are at a serious crossroads, in my opinion. Not just commercially, but creatively.
Friday, June 9th 2006, 12:58am
It's true that many dance artists do only cover/ripp-offs today.Check for example italo dance-this is a real cover industry!
I don't know if Scooter has so great studio with super synthesisers and all other stuff, what the hell do they use it for - just for combining melodies and creating something what should then be called a Scooter song?Then there is really no use for such machinery, they could have just simple mixing table.
They have showed in the past that they can do masterpieces, why are they getting lazy today?They do earn enough and are famous enough, so why the hell to spend more time in the studio when they can just borrow some melody, copy some lyrics - and Scooter track is made.
On one of the other forums where I'm a regular visitor and a guest, one guy said once, how Scooter songs are created: Rick listens to one old song from 80's, likes it, informs about it H.P, which then combines lyrics from different artists together, adds some Yeah and his new nicknames, and Jay and Rick mix the song based upon the old one!
Scooter has created some absolutely amazing albums in the past, all way ahead of their time like "Wicked!", "The Age of Love" and "Back to the Heavyweight Jam". Since Jay Frog joined the band to replace Axel Coon in 2002, the band has lost its touch. Yes, obviously somehow, with Jay Frog they created one of their best albums ever, "The Stadium Techno Experience", but it's only gone downhill from there. The only good song since that album has been One (Always Hardcore). This album seems to be geared more towards commercialism, plagiarizing A LOT from bad pop songs. There is little creativity in this album compared to others.
I must agree that TSTE was their last good album, in my opinion very good album.After TSTE all went, and actually is still going very down.I read one negative review about WGTLLN, where a reviewer says at the end that WGTLLN is a commercial "techno" terror, abusing melodies that other people have spent months to create them.
Friday, June 9th 2006, 1:11am
I've just bought this album and listened to it. What can I say? Covers, covers, covers. I'd like to listen to something more creative really. They are not bad, but that's not what I've expected.
A lot of you may hang me on the tree for saying this, but after staying with Scooter from the start I think I can allow myself for some constructive critique of my favourite band.
It's a shame that they are more focused on younger fans and forgetting about die hards like me. Personally I'm still waiting for something like No Time To Chill, Age of Love, Hyper Hyper or Rough&Tough&Dangerous style.
I would die of happiness if only they did something like Hyper Hyper remix from We Like It Loud tour.
These sentences reveal everything.
Anyway it wasn't so massive like today! Today there is no balance anymore between own compositions and tracks with elements from other tracks. Today almost every track on album is with elements from other tracks.
I have to agree with, PS. Scooter have always made covers and sampled from other artists (from the very start) and that is absolutely fine to an extent. No sensible Scooter fan would deny that.
But the number of covers and samples from MTG and TSTE, for me, is a bit excessive. If you compare the level of original material on ATBGO to MTG... or compare the covers on Wicked to TSTE you can see the difference. TSTE and MTG are great albums but, for me, they are "lazy" albums compared with previous ones. Even albums like WBTN and BTTHWJ are more "pure" than the albums from the last few years. I'm not saying Scooter are lazy at the moment but i feel less work has gone into TSTE and MTG than, say, ATBGO, Wicked or WBTN. That is what i suspect anyway.
Friday, June 9th 2006, 10:37am
After one year I'm kinda ready to accept Mind The Gap. It wasn't so bad after all. It did have great tracks even if they started to be very simple. Problem with MTG is that it has 5 really bad tracks. I am always ready to accept one or two bad tracks in a album but 5/12 is too much. Why Scooter released modern disco (Shake That!) ? Why some happy hardcore when skills have been forgotten (All I Wanna Do)? Why some techhouse when none of them really can make (Suavemente)? Why something unmelodic rubbish which lyrics sounds embarrassing (Panties Wanted)? Or why they did have to make basskick version of evergreen (The Avenger's Back)?
I can tell you that I have just small mp3-player (256mb) but I do always put two Scooter-tracks to there. I have also made it chronologically so those two tracks would be from the same album. I would easily 2 tracks from MTG but I didn't have any desire to put 2 tracks from WGTLLN into my player.
Who's Got The Last Laugh Now? is still very uninnovative and they have just forgotten word progression. Okay album do have some fine moments but problem comes when I say something about the best tracks of the album. Hello is One Part II, See Me Feel Me is once again HPV with eurodance-melody like One, The beginning of Take Me Baby is ridiculous and even Mesmerized doesn't sound so great after a little listening. Actually only track where I don't have anything bad to say is INTRO.
So what Scooter should do? I personally think that Scooter should make next album for longer. If it is made in hurry we just gonna get yet another WGTLLN. And Scooter really should forgot those experiments. Style can evolve within the style which is scooterish. You don't need to search for techhouse. Next album also could be usual Scooterish style (trancey dance) with house-influents. Bit like latest Dallas Superstars-album. But we will see.
By the way new version of The Leading Horse sounds very promising. it shows that Scooter might not be dead just yet. But will we get something as good in the next album? I really doubt it.
Friday, June 9th 2006, 10:54am
Hy!
Did you not notice that Scooter past 2 years not producing any more good tracks?
They are a littlle bit too comercial...
I really missing the 90's.
I think compared to the other works WGTLLN is , as Suavemente and hello average...
I didn't like WGTLLN. -_-
WBTN all the way for me, great tunes and an awesome lineup of instrumentals. I still love MTG a lot too, especially now I've solved it's shortness issues. Personally I don't think the 3rd chapter has much to shout about for me, but MTG and the slow breakbeat and Don't Gimme The Funk-type tunes definitely are.
Friday, June 9th 2006, 11:22am
They didn't just borrow sample from the first evergreen they heard on a radio, but they used tracks like Embargo, which almost nobody knew.Today they're too obvious, it's not strange that people don't respect them so much, because they seem just a band of lazy people constantly ripping melodies and creating songs in that way.
