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Quoted from ""Sandra""

I don't think they need your help - and I doubt if they do either - and I do think the finger is to the constant critics.

BTW - if my husband told me I need to loose weight - I will do exactly the opposite - because basically the finger reply says I'll do what I want my way thank you.

I have no problems with your views - but find it highly amusing that you think that you are so important as to have an effect, and reading this thread (at least the latter parts - because HR's orginal views, although drunken were from the heart), it just reads as condescending and arrogant (both to the band, and the fans who are happy with the music as it is) and a whole lot of "I know best" :lol:

Sandra - i have massive respect for you are as person and admire your love and committment to Scooter.

But i'm finding your replies in this topic quite infuriating. :x Amusing am i? Well, ha-f*cking-ha! Whether Scooter need my help or not i will express myself, like it or not. I'm anything but arrogant, Sandra. Opinionated, maybe. Likes a debate, maybe. Not arrogant.

And i'm sorry, but why whenever a topic like this comes up we have to defend it? We are spending more time talking about what we are entitled to say or what the worth of saying it is, or who's opinions are arrogant than actually discussing the issues that are raised. *sigh*

Quoted from ""Butcher""

Well, then you have problems with his views, you just negate yourself!As pjas says, "disagreements about Scooter and Scooter-is-not-the-best" stuff are taboos on this forum.

I stand by that assertion. Criticism is definately a taboo on this forum - whatever form it may take. Criticism is rocking the boat. It's thinking your better than Scooter. Which as i said, is a mispresentation of the type of criticism in this topic.

Quoted from ""pjad_uk""

Quite ironically, i think this is not the case. I have a feeling they aren't doing things their way. The band have their hands tied by the commercial industry that they refuse to break away from, by the obsessive element of fans who are locking the band into habits. Maybe i'm wrong. Maybe this sameness and lack of progression is exactly what they want. If it is then that is very very sad. Or maybe they just can't see it like you and many other fans can't.

:lol: The irony is that you're contradicting yourself. If they had their hands tied by commercial industry why do they "regurgitate the ideas and formulas that got them to the top" (as you assume them doing) if that clearly lowers their record sale? As far as I can see a band trying to stay the top of the industry would do exactly according to public's wishes. In that case they would make stuff that the public exactly wants, instead of expressing theirselves and doing music for the love of music. If that were the case, they wouldn't release such bizarre single choices (bizarre to non-fans, I assume) as Shake That! or other single choices that aren't guaranteed to produce maximum income.
Then. If most of the people really think HP's voice is childish or annoying or stupid and the same about lyrics, why would Scooter constantly use HP-voice and bizarre lyrics?! That would make no sense.
Naturally somebody can say that they are exactly what they are because that's some sort of business plan -- if such were the case they would've noticed it doesn't bring maximum profit and would have abandoned it. Luckily nobody was fool enough to claim that.. :lol:

I don't see Scooter being commercial or doing things just to get fame and fortune. I see them as artists (and HP as 'Techno-Helden' as the German press calls him) who care about their fans, as well.

Good post Sandra. They clearly are doing something right to stay at the top for such a long time -- and still going strong.

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Quoted from ""pjad_uk""

Quite ironically, i think this is not the case. I have a feeling they aren't doing things their way. The band have their hands tied by the commercial industry that they refuse to break away from, by the obsessive element of fans who are locking the band into habits. Maybe i'm wrong. Maybe this sameness and lack of progression is exactly what they want. If it is then that is very very sad. Or maybe they just can't see it like you and many other fans can't.

:lol: The irony is that you're contradicting yourself. If they had their hands tied by commercial industry why do they "regurgitate the ideas and formulas that got them to the top" (as you assume them doing) if that clearly lowers their record sale? As far as I can see a band trying to stay the top of the industry would do exactly according to public's wishes. In that case they would make stuff that the public exactly wants, instead of expressing theirselves and doing music for the love of music. If that were the case, they wouldn't release such bizarre single choices (bizarre to non-fans, I assume) as Shake That! or other single choices that aren't guaranteed to produce maximum income.

Mate, you can only contradict yourself when stating facts. I was merely putting forward a few possible and conflicting explaintions as to why the band might have stop evolving their sound.

1) They have no control and have their hands tied by the industry and fans
2) They've reached the top and have no motivation to change because all they want to do is stay at the top
3) They believe themselves (like many of the fans) that they have evolved over the years.

3 possible explainations i put forward - take your pick. As i said, i have the belief it's probably either 1 or 2. Could be 3 though.

And the point about "surprising singles" - yes, Shake That was an experiment. But a) it still used the same structure and b) Shake That doesn't repesent a new direction in which the band are taking their sound for the future. It was a one-off.

Quoted from ""Butcher""

Sandra, what's your explanation then that last singles and albums are not selling so good as they did in the past?It doesn't really seem true that 3rd chapter attracts masses of new fans?

Guess your right here - if they want to top the charts they will have to be more commercial :? :? - maybe they need to look at the type of music at the top of the charts the past few months and make that kind of music :? :?

Quoted from ""Butcher""

It also makes me laugh (not cry) when I see how some people believe Scooter everything they do, believe everything they say, think that Scooter are saints and perfect people, not arrogant, always nice, always friendly, do everything for fans, money is just aside, fans are first...Yes, this blindness really makes me laugh.

I don't think being nice etc. has anything to do with their success - I just think its good that despite being rich, sucessful etc. they are still nice to fans. Saints..... no - hell it would be dreadful to be a saint - human is much better, I've got no time for saints! . And I have no doubt they do it for money - its their job - no one works for free - thats why I'm so opposed to "file-sharing", and have said so many times - making music is a career like any other, and those who do it should be paid. They are sucessful - and probably make a lot for money from it - I think they deserve ever penny myself, but if they adopt a "chart topping hit no matter what" way in the future I think it would be a bad move.

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:lol: The irony is that you're contradicting yourself. If they had their hands tied by commercial industry why do they "regurgitate the ideas and formulas that got them to the top" (as you assume them doing) if that clearly lowers their record sale?

So why do you think that every r'n'b single sounds the same? It's mostly because commercial labels and acts makes usually something that WAS succesful before and hopes that they are also lucky ones. That's the reason.

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As far as I can see a band trying to stay the top of the industry would do exactly according to public's wishes. In that case they would make stuff that the public exactly wants, instead of expressing theirselves and doing music for the love of music. If that were the case, they wouldn't release such bizarre single choices (bizarre to non-fans, I assume) as Shake That! or other single choices that aren't guaranteed to produce maximum income.

Personally I think that Shake That was released because of money. At that point house went above trance in EDM-genre. And also disco-influents were popular. Scooter tried to be succesful with ST too at the time. Actually because house is so popular they tried to be succesful with Suavemente and ARTB too.

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Then. If most of the people really think HP's voice is childish or annoying or stupid and the same about lyrics, why would Scooter constantly use HP-voice and bizarre lyrics?! That would make no sense.

Well tell that to Scooter. H.P. shouts are trademark of Scooter. It wouldn't be Scooter without H.P. to be honest. Scooter just should make less tracks with shouting. Especially when today track itself is very unmelodic if H.P. shouts

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I don't see Scooter being commercial or doing things just to get fame and fortune. I see them as artists (and HP as 'Techno-Helden' as the German press calls him) who care about their fans, as well.

You are now kidding right? You REALLY don't see Scooter being commercial? That's one of the stupied things I have read in ages.

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Good post Sandra. They clearly are doing something right to stay at the top for such a long time -- and still going strong.

Scooter have made something right in the past true. But not anymore. Scooter isn't popular anymore. In Germany albums goes to top 20 and are there for a week. In Hungary, Czech Republic, Sweden and Finland where Scooter was big only in Czech Republic Scooter made to the charts. Place was 58.

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You are now kidding right? You REALLY don't see Scooter being commercial? That's one of the stupied things I have read in ages.

Excuse my bad wording or lack of understanding what that word exactly means, as it probably is in this case..
I meant that Scooter isn't a product. Naturally HP, Rick, and Jay get paid for their work (and should be!) and most probably like to get nicely money to spend, but I don't think money is the only reason they are doing music. I think it's just a reward for their good work, the main reason is that they like the music and want to create cool beats. They are artists.
How many of you would want a job you hate? Not many I'd say. I see nothing wrong if Scooter members get paid for their music making, which is also their job -- both the necessity of earning one's living in modern society and the desire to express theirselves freely by creating music, combined.

Quoted from ""acid_bomb""

Excuse my bad wording or lack of understanding what that word exactly means, as it probably is in this case..
I meant that Scooter isn't a product. Naturally HP, Rick, and Jay get paid for their work (and should be!) and most probably like to get nicely money to spend, but I don't think money is the only reason they are doing music. I think it's just a reward for their good work, the main reason is that they like the music and want to create cool beats. They are artists.
How many of you would want a job you hate? Not many I'd say. I see nothing wrong if Scooter members get paid for their music making, which is also their job -- both the necessity of earning one's living in modern society and the desire to express theirselves freely by creating music, combined.

Okay now I understand better.

I do agree most of the parts of your post. Money I think isn't only reason why they makes music. At least was. They likes to make music and so on. And of course Scooter is making music so it is good to get paid for it. But problem comes when money takes too big spot. When money is greater thing than job there is something wrong. Right now I think that money is now more important to Scooter than job. That's why I have said before that they should take a little brake and come back to work more motivated.

Quoted from ""Acid_Bomb""

I meant that Scooter isn't a product. Naturally HP, Rick, and Jay get paid for their work (and should be!) and most probably like to get nicely money to spend, but I don't think money is the only reason they are doing music. I think it's just a reward for their good work, the main reason is that they like the music and want to create cool beats. They are artists.
How many of you would want a job you hate? Not many I'd say. I see nothing wrong if Scooter members get paid for their music making, which is also their job -- both the necessity of earning one's living in modern society and the desire to express theirselves freely by creating music, combined.

You are right!
I see nothing wrong if they try with new sounds and styles, and I think they have made almost of every genre.
Ricky and H.P. are "working in the beat" in Scooter for 12 years!! 12 GREAT years... but if we look deeper in their past, they are creating music since 1986, since CTN.... Jay is a fresh help to improve even more! They earn rightly their money, I can´t see anything bad in the fact they wanted to evolucionate, to change a bit, to make some experient with the sound, for example, you have said that "Shake that!" was an experiment, and what´s up if it were?? I find it real cool, fresh and different from the rest, and if they had had a great succesful with it, better for them! Is real easy to say they are a commercial group, well, I think if they realy ENJOY with their work, MAKE what they really want and EARN great money there´s nothing wrong in it.... many fans like it and other many don´t like it ("...u can´t please anyone...")... U miss some creative tracks, but if u had been so many years without almost any break, u could understand it better. U must remember all they have made and then, think: "how many ARTISTS have made all this wonderful work and no-stopping work for years and years and have enjoyed it so much???"... I think a few ARTISTS...

Anyways it´s very good that u tried to make some positive critics, but as some of u don´t like so much the new Scooter and think they´re running in circles with their singles and albums, some of us think they´re stil the same good they were in 1994, so they are the best. Different points of view r ok to keep the spirit alive and contribute to reflexions and maybe to be even better!!

Now that's one great post! Agree entirely. I really like "Shake That!" as well, and love their experimenting with sounds and styles.

You're exactly right: Scooter has been extremely productive band, and the material has always been excellent. I know none as talented band capable of doing the same.

I don't think they're as good as in 1994 -- I think they're a lot better now than then! Scooter has always been great but I think it has got better and better during the years. I like the current Scooter the best.


MC A.H, I see, but don't agree. I think music/work is much more important to them than its outcome.

Since what year are you a fan, acid_bomb?

I got into Scooter in 2001 (I think) when I bought (or actually mom bought when I asked ) "We Bring the Noise!". I had heard Scooter before and liked it, but didn't particularly know any album or song. I did remember however some crazy song about some fish. :lol: I knew Scooter being an electronic music band, but had no idea about their harder style (since I had only heard some old material). I just recognized the name Scooter and wanted the album. Glad I did. It even may be that it was my first album! Anyways, I had no idea about the new harder style of Scooter. Not until I played the record for the first time.. Woah! It was so awesome! :shock:
At that time I didn't really listen to music, so time just went by and I listened this record once in a while. At some point I borrowed some older records from library and listened them -- but only two or three records, not more. I especially liked "Back to the Heavyweigh Jam".
Then, at some point in 2003, I asked myself if there is a new Scooter album released since WBTN.. Checked from the net, and found out there is! Bought it and listened -- woah, it was so great.. The rest is history -- I bought all the missing albums from cdon.com and started to listen Scooter all the time.
To be honest, I didn't listen music almost at all before 2003. I listened it very rarely. I just didn't like music generally I guess. :oops:

But anyways, what has this to do with anything, Butcher?

Quoted from ""acid_bomb""

To be honest, I didn't listen music almost at all before 2003. I listened it very rarely. I just didn't like music generally I guess. :oops:

That explains that you like 3rd chapter more than others, because you became a 'real fan' in 2003.Now it's not suprising anymore that you defend 3rd chapter so much.

Quoted from ""Butcher""

Quoted from ""acid_bomb""

To be honest, I didn't listen music almost at all before 2003. I listened it very rarely. I just didn't like music generally I guess. :oops:

That explains that you like 3rd chapter more than others, because you became a 'real fan' in 2003.Now it's not suprising anymore that you defend 3rd chapter so much.

I'm not sure that has a lot to do with it, Butcher. I mean, i didn't realise Scooter existed until Ramp came to the UK and i wouldn't say i was a proper fan until Nessaja came out and i bought PTBFTJ (UK Version). So i'm very much a "3rd chapter fan" and yet i still have worries about the 3rd chapter today in 2006.

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Quoted from ""acid_bomb""

To be honest, I didn't listen music almost at all before 2003. I listened it very rarely. I just didn't like music generally I guess. :oops:

That explains that you like 3rd chapter more than others, because you became a 'real fan' in 2003.Now it's not suprising anymore that you defend 3rd chapter so much.

I'm a fan since 1996 and i still like the 3rd chapter very much. :wink:

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Quoted from ""Butcher""

Quoted from ""acid_bomb""

To be honest, I didn't listen music almost at all before 2003. I listened it very rarely. I just didn't like music generally I guess. :oops:

That explains that you like 3rd chapter more than others, because you became a 'real fan' in 2003.Now it's not suprising anymore that you defend 3rd chapter so much.

I'm not sure that has a lot to do with it, Butcher. I mean, i didn't realise Scooter existed until Ramp came to the UK and i wouldn't say i was a proper fan until Nessaja came out and i bought PTBFTJ (UK Version). So i'm very much a "3rd chapter fan" and yet i still have worries about the 3rd chapter today in 2006.

Maybe, but your first 'album' was also PTBFTJ, which is a 2nd chapter product, so you were pre-introduced by a songs of the 2nd chapter, you were not attracted by 3rd chapter song/album.

I don't know has any of you said this before but maybe with these new cheesy style they try to get new fans. :wink:

Like every band which has made music for decades doesn't want to be dropped out side. They try to stay in charts no matter what it costs. (It has cost few fans, that we already know). But still Scooter haven't forgot these old-school fans. Tracks like All I wanna Do and Jigga Jigga reminds us about the past, but still they want to move on...

I like Scooter and have listened it since 1999, actively since 2002. I know that their style has changed into a commercial way but I don't take a stress about it like some of you take...

I have Scooter's history in CDs and I don't regret any moment I have spent listening it...

Quoted from ""FinnRaver""

Like every band which has made music for decades doesn't want to be dropped out side. They try to stay in charts no matter what it costs. (It has cost few fans, that we already know). But still Scooter haven't forgot these old-school fans. Tracks like All I wanna Do and Jigga Jigga reminds us about the past, but still they want to move on...

That in my opinion is one of the main problems. Trying to stay in the charts. Few people respect the charts these days. In fact, so many artists are being scorned these days for even entering the charts (Tiesto being a good example), never mind actually trying to get in the Top 10.

Music isn't about chart positions. It's about artistic expression.

pja_uk, u r right, music is a kinda xpression, and I think Scooter make lyrical xpression, much more now than before (WSGTLLN? is a good example....., like the self name shows.......), and of course trying with new sounds. if they need to "repeat" many sounds in the singles, like many of u say (I don´t think this is something that´s only happening now...), I don´t agree with u about keeping the chart position, otherwise trying to impove.

IT´S NICE TO BE IMPORTANT, BUT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO BE NICE!

It´s difficult to find a basic mood in this topic. Every fan has his own opinion and it´s good so.
I stay at my meaning that Scooter don´t make the same sound on every album of the last years. Ok, some tracks sounds same but on every LP they tried other styles and sounds. But if I remembered well I thought (I haven´t read the topics again :oops: ) most of the fans loved tracks like Rock Bottom, See me feel me a.s.o. The songs there they tried new things like Take me baby, The leading horse or Apache aren´t so respected by the fans. Most of the fans wanted the Scootersound at the LPs. I can understand it. In me there are two meanings. I want the real Scootersound with fresh beats and bumping vocals and I want fresh, cool and new instrumental tracks. If Scooter want to fulfil my wishes they must put 20 songs on the album. So it is with all things we are talking about. Some of you want that Scooter spend more time for work on new stuff, but in the past they make every year one album and three singles too and nobody cried about bad quality. And it isn´t guaranteed that the tracks are better if they worked three years on new tracks or one. If Scooter bring out an album they are always sure that is the right way they go and they are contently with the work they have done.

@MariaFerreiro
Your lyrical experssion is one of the biggest things Scooter is so cheesy. Usually vocals in electronic music makes it sound commercial and those are usually placed there for that reason. Personally I don't mind about vocal tracks, but c'mon. Scooter had 3 instrumentals in the last album which is too few IMO. Especially when H.P. is just praising himself.

New sounds? Which are new sounds? I bet that every sound have been used before by Scooter or someone else. I doubt that there are any new sound in WGTTLN. Of course if you mean that eurodance is new thing...

I strongly disagree with you with repeating singles. Theyt are repeating themselves. Even our dear Dave From Sheffield could notice that One and Hello are nearly the same track. And that's how commercialism works. Once something has been popular, they try to make it again. Just listen modern dance-scene. Every sound have been used for couple of years and Scooter doesn't bring new ideas anymore to the dance-scene.

@Magic Voice
Actually I agree that 3rd chapter albums doesn't sound the same. Problem is that WGTLLN still sounds veyr much like Nessaja or Maria or Soul Train. There are maybe Take Me Baby and The Leading Horse which really are surprising. I agree with you that See Me, Feel Me is a fine track. HPV fits into that track pretty well. But there are missing tat thing what makes it amazing. And it still has eurodance-melody which sounds like it has been used 10 years ago. But I hate Rock Bottom.

Those new sounding tracks...
Take Me Baby sounds pretty stupid with it's benassi-bassline. I do like the track because it grows before the end but it is really stupid in the beginning. And h.P. really can't sing.
Apache repeats itself whole the time. Nothing new comes after half minute.
The Leading Horse...Most embarrassing track in the history of Scooter. With evolving we didn't mean we want commercial r'n'b influences to Scooter or H.P. da rapper.

I want too Scootersound with fresg beats, freh sounds and good vocals. IMO Scooter haven't done it after WBTN. Even instrumentals that i love are just usual trance-stuff.

Of course it isn't guaranteed that track would be better when working longer in the studio. Point is that then Scooter would have time to find some new sounds, new ideas and make 12 track LP with those. And of course because Rick and H.P. have done working non-stop for over 10 years. They are little bit tired for all it and more time in the studio would help it.

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If Scooter bring out an album they are always sure that is the right way they go and they are contently with the work they have done.

So they are like gods huh? They always knows what is the best thing? I doubt it.