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Aii gues there is something greater - bigger - but invincible! Life is full of surprises - there must be something which connects all humans together!

This once again shows that religion is really hard subject to discuss about.

If you believe in God, then believe. You are not me an I don't try to change your opinion. I hope you can also accept my opinion. I just don't believe in God.

Proofing in this subject is impossible. Everyone knows that. There have been thousands of researches trying to slve is there God or isn't there. But you can't find an answer to that question. Only way to proof that is if God would come to Earth and showing his presens (which is very unlikely...). And my opinion isn't based on any research. It's my own opinion made by myself.

But tell me acid_bomb (great tune btw) how I could be a member of Lutheran church when I don't believe in god at all. It needs to proofs either. You can't proof that I'm wrong and I can't proof that you are wrong. But as I said I believe in something which is rebirth. But not in God.

And about how everything started. It's impossible question. If there was nothing then how there would come big bang? But also if there was nothing how God would suddenly appeared? That's a tough question too...

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Only way to proof that is if God would come to Earth and showing his presens (which is very unlikely...).

Technically it has already happened to Christians, in a way. :wink: But yes, a revisit might do good to the world.

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But tell me acid_bomb (great tune btw) how I could be a member of Lutheran church when I don't believe in god at all. It needs to proofs either. You can't proof that I'm wrong and I can't proof that you are wrong. But as I said I believe in something which is rebirth. But not in God.

To be honest, I can't see your point here.. At least I'm not sure if I understood it correctly. No, you can't really be a Christian if you don't believe in God. But that doesn't necessarily mean that you're damned or something, there are many schools of thought. I can't prove myself being right (or you being wrong), that's why I have my beliefs -- and I don't place much trust in any scientific proofs.

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And about how everything started. It's impossible question. If there was nothing then how there would come big bang? But also if there was nothing how God would suddenly appeared? That's a tough question too...

Heh, it indeed is. Don't even ask how many hours I've spent thinking about this particular question, including the one featuring God's sudden appearance or ever-being. We're living in a paradox. :wink:

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To be honest, I can't see your point here.. At least I'm not sure if I understood it correctly. No, you can't really be a Christian if you don't believe in God. But that doesn't necessarily mean that you're damned or something, there are many schools of thought. I can't prove myself being right (or you being wrong), that's why I have my beliefs -- and I don't place much trust in any scientific proofs.

Yeah maybe explonation wasn't good one... It's just about it that we can't know which one of us is wrong or is both right or anything like that. But at least both of us has strong opinion in subject. You may believe in God, I don't see anything wrong in it and I have right not to believe in God if I want. It's propably as simple as that.

And it is true that in religious subjects you can't really trust science. They are made by humans themselves when there's nothing to explain. Other possibility is of course that it can't be explain when it's too hard to proof with anything.

Mmm.. This was actually very nice discussion.

Let those people that want to believe in God, they have a right to believe.However, not any proof has been given that God really exists and everyone should admit that, despite the fact that he/she is very religious.What I can't stand, are religious fanatics, that see only the truth from the viewpoint of "God created everything.....and so on", because in year 2006, when we live in a developed world, saying something like that, is childish.

BTW, I don't believe in any God, but only in myself.

I am mostly atheistic I think. Well, that tells it all. And I also let you all believe in whatever you believe in.

Used to be Lutheran. Now I'm Taoist.

- Wil

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I believe in God.

No big surprise there.

Personally, I live by my own rules.
I'm closest to Satanism, actually.

Which is sick, actually.

Do you know anything about Satanism?
First of all, I'm not a satanist. But I only believe in me. Nothing else.
And that's more Satanism than anything else.

Satanism has nothing to do with Satan, or rituals or anything like that.
It's all about making decisions in life, that's good for you and noone else.
Why is that sick?

Why do you call it Satanism if it have nothing to do with Satan, or these rituals? :?
Believe in yourself is something different for me. :?

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Let those people that want to believe in God, they have a right to believe.However, not any proof has been given that God really exists and everyone should admit that, despite the fact that he/she is very religious.What I can't stand, are religious fanatics, that see only the truth from the viewpoint of "God created everything.....and so on", because in year 2006, when we live in a developed world, saying something like that, is childish.

BTW, I don't believe in any God, but only in myself.

It's not childish to all people.
BTW; if you would have said something like that a few 100 years back, they propably would have killed you or something. :lol: Or maybe not... :wink:

But seriously maybe the problem is that in 21th century people hardly believe anything if they cannot see it. Maybe not all but quite a lot of them. At least in industrialized countries.

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I believe in God.

No big surprise there.

Personally, I live by my own rules.
I'm closest to Satanism, actually.

Which is sick, actually.

Do you know anything about Satanism?
First of all, I'm not a satanist. But I only believe in me. Nothing else.
And that's more Satanism than anything else.

Satanism has nothing to do with Satan, or rituals or anything like that.
It's all about making decisions in life, that's good for you and noone else.
Why is that sick?

Why do you call it Satanism if it have nothing to do with Satan, or these rituals? :?
Believe in yourself is something different for me. :?

I'm not the one that came up with that term.
That's what it's called.

You shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about, in a judging way, because you will only make a fool out of yourself.

Agreed. Lack of knowledge is why Satanists are so often discriminated against.

My beliefs are personal and certainly not for discussion here!

Clearly. Come on Sandra, tell us what you believe. No one is going to shoot you if you confess to being a member of the elite cult of Later Day HP fanatics.

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Satanism has nothing to do with Satan, or rituals or anything like that.
It's all about making decisions in life, that's good for you and noone else.

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Why do you call it Satanism if it have nothing to do with Satan, or these rituals? :?

Good question. I thought this is what we normally call EGOISM :wink:


I believe in Love and the Fireball :wink:
And the only higher force is… a higher IQ

“…here we come straight between the eyes
life without knowledge is death in disguise…” --- apropos of Satan :lol: :lol:

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It's not childish is all people.

I don't understand the sentence in bold, probably you did some spelling mistake.

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But seriously maybe the problem is that in 21th century people hardly believe anything if they cannot see it.

Does this seem to you a problem?To me it is a good sign that world isn't old-fashioned, but wants material proofs for something to be true.This is a nice example of mental development, which is certainly a positive thing. :wink:

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Clearly. Come on Sandra, tell us what you believe. No one is going to shoot you if you confess to being a member of the elite cult of Later Day HP fanatics.

Damn!!!! You know me too well!!! :oops: :oops:
Of course - Scooter rulz and H.P. is God!! :lol: :lol:

Actually if you must know I am Christian and always have been

I believe that everyone should be allowed to believe whatever he or she finds to make them happy, just as long as they don't harm others. War because of religion is the stupidest war cause ever.

Me? I believe in the 4 elements and that everything happens for a reason.

Hi guys. I haven't posted in the forum for while. I've been checking, observing the usual conflicts, not feeling the need to post.

Although, this particular topic, as such topics always do, has aroused my attention.

What do i believe? I believe human beings know very little for certain, the only truths of the universe being those of logical language and mathematics. Everything else is a matter of shades of grey, of degrees of belief, degrees which human beings reason subjectively through their own faculties and through the conventions and understandings provided by society. What humans broadly understand as 'knowledge' is anything that, using some form of empirical evidence, can be surmised as being either true or false.

Everything that is metaphysical, that is, that which is beyond human earthly experience, cannot form part of this "grey area" that humans ordinarily call 'knowledge'. There is no evidence, empirical or otherwise, that lead us to any conclusion as to the existence of a God. This doesn't rule out God's possible existence as it would be foolish to assume that the limits of human experience constitute everything that 'is'.

Furthermore, i believe human beings are merely animals with a limited degree of sophisication. All the reason and intellect they possess is largely overruled by animal instincts, namely a need to perseve oneself, a desire to reproduce, a desire to be part of a unified group and conform to its behaviour and attitudes. We essentially products of our environment and biology. We exercise only a limited degree of free will as we rarely act in a way that deviates from the way our biology and conditioned environment has taught us to behave. More often that not we respond not through a process of specific or individual reason but merely to our emotions or to the values instilled in us from our early years.

We are creatures of individuality in that the modern world has taught us that individuals are all that matter (to, in some cases, deverstating affect) and yet we are creatures of society in that we find it difficult to think and behave in a way that is noticeabley different from those within our immediate environment (again, sometimes with dire concequences).

Make of that what you will.