The reason for Scooter's lack of creativity

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 3:02am

whats wrong with being a fan... whats wrong with liking something...
wow some of us still love scooter no one expects you to love everything they do atm... maybe they will change to what you want maybe they will stay the same maybe they'll change to something else completely different... no one forces you to be a fan forever... i can't be a wrestling fan forever if i start to hate it... if you start to hate scooter new style etc or members man ok you're entitled to tell us that but man keep all this stuff neg (but it wasnt really negative cuz it was constructive critisism by hyper) put it on like some scooter hater site... wow when i stumbled upon some scooter hating site i thought it would just be once and now i see that the very own official site has ppl hating their own (once) fav band

i guess thats just what makes scooter so good... they have all these variety of fans
haters, lovers,
IF YOU LOVE ME OR YOU HATE ME I DONT GIVE A DAM!

"WE WONT LET YOU DOWN"

(remember scooter will not stop until everyone is tired of them) so stop saying your tired of them cuz U KNOW AS MUCH AS HELLO IS NOT I'M YOUR PUSHER OR SOMETHING CURRENTLY WHAT ELSE IS REALLY BETTER THAN SCOOTER

I THOUGHT SO...
SO STICK TO SCOOTER DONT LET IT GO AWAY JUST CUZ A FEW SINGLES GIVE THEM A FEW YEARS... TO EXPERIMENT A LITTLE, IT'S THERE BAND NOT YOURS, THEY GAVE WICKED SONGS FOR MORE YEARS THAN THEY GAVE ME "...." SINGLES SO BE RESPECTFUL
SCOOTER! (clap clap clap) SCOOTER! (clap clap clap) SCOOTER! (clap clap clap)

IS OK TO BE A FAN!

I AM

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Wil Piotraschke

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 4:38am

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Quoted from ""RockTheNation""

Scooter, I love everything you guys do.

those statements are totally fanatic if you say you love everything they do without any judgment before
that's the same like people which say i'm not fanatic but they pre order cds before hearing just 1 second

It's called being supportive.

And I told the "You're an idiot" part out of my earlier post probably 3 minutes after I originally posted because yes, it was an overreaction. So I do apologize for that.

- Will

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Anonymous

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 9:30am

Quoted from ""Mr Hyper""

sorry, i have to go on, have pushed the button too early.
Then, after two typical tracks un the classic style (back in the UK; Let me be your Valentine) HP started to sing (I'm raving/Rebel Yell/Break it up) and in the end of the fisrt chapter they even invented the "metal-techno" with fire. and in the second chapter they had those hymns like "How much is the fish" or "I'm your pusher", electro tracks "We are the greatest" and they even changed the sound of HP's voice: partly different vocoder vocals (f##k the millenium/remedy/acid bomb) and prtly clear voice (I'm your pusher").
But in the third chapter: always the same vocoder voice in each song except Stripped, always the same construction "Shouting Part- chorus-SP-C-"Hardcore Part" (like a shotgun../on world on people in da conference/straight between the eyes life without knowledge/hola una cerveza una cerveeeza/the only way to have a friend..)-chorus, a lot of ripped melodies, similar keyboard melodies in One and Hello, rows of similar tracks (at first Nessaja-Weekend-The Night then Maria-One-Hello).
I still like the new songs but they also create doubts inside me!

Totally agree

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Dave From Sheffield

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 11:37am

Still the same going on in here, i see. Hm... this kind of point has not been talked before...

@ Developer and The Avenger:

If you think that a person who likes the whole Scooter-production is a fanatic...what does it matter? Let that person be a fanatic then. If it funny when you two are always saying that many here are fanatics but i have never seen any statement for that...

Also, i would understand your view if you both would have been here a long time and discuss other things as well. But you are only here to critizize and calling people fanatics. That is your only goal here. Why not try other tyles and more friendly and sofisticated way to discuss. I have many times said that is's not what you think, it's how you say it. So next time you are talking for example Suavemente which i know you both hate, don't say "It's sucks. If you like you are a fanatic." and so on... Say something like "I don't like it because...and your opinions..."

Hope my point can be get from that. But about myself...

I have been a fan since 1996, i have a big collection and i honestly like all tracks more or less. Maybe i don't like some part of some track but all together...i like them. I'm always happy listening Scooter. When i hear that there will be a new Scooter-release soon i just can't wait to get it... And many versions of it. Scooter has never failed my and i hope that continues. I have no reason to say that it woulnd't.

And a little thing at the end of this...

When i first hear Shake That! i was quite suprised that this is the new single from Scooter! I did not liked it so much at first but after listening it a few times i got to like it and now it's great. I mean, they are not doing every track disco/house-style so it's ok...

Also, another single like Posse (I Need You On The Floor) would be nice. It's nice and hard. When i heard One (Always Hardcore) at the very first time i thought were that this is just as hard and kicking as Posse (I Need You On The Floor).

Just some of my thoughts...

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 3:32pm

"Laziness" sums it up pretty well. Scooter can either make original music, which makes them money, or just steal it, and make just as much money. From their point of view, why bother with originality? People that buy anything they release, no matter how crappy it is dont help though. If you stop buying their music until they start releasing proper stuff again, they will start making proper music again.

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 3:33pm

Well, after reading this whole topic I decided to add my own two cents to this matter.

Look, all thoose who accuse Jay of ruining the band, it is not his fault! In fact, if he was to announce was leaving scooter torromow, I wonder how many people here would look at all the supposed ' fans ' here who hated Jay and tellthem ' Now, look at what you've done, happy now? '

The reason Scooter are having a so - called ' Reduced Success ' is because of the current rap infesation that is sweeping the world ( but thats an entirely different discussion ) , don't any of you take that into account?

Prejuidce is also playing a part, I can remember back in secondary school getting weird faces from people when I told them I liked Scooter, many of them not seeing it as ' real music ' , one or two of these people listen to rap, for heavens sake! I will also never see another Scooter release in Ireland EVER AGAIN because of prejudice and said Rap infestation.

Another reason that Scooter's sound could be suffering is because they simply don't really spend enough time working on the albums, barely only 6 months. If I was to ever meet the guys, I'd would suggest that they might spend a longer time ( say a year - to a year and a half ) working on an album... even then, we'd still get people complaining!

To those who come here and constantly say negative things about Scooter: PLEASE LEAVE, your type are not welcome here! Groan about it on some other fourm where everyone will approve ( Like a 50 Cent, Greenday or Akon fourm ) It one thing to have people complaing about Scooter on a fourm like deviantart.com, but its another to have to ranting about scooter on the freakin offical fourm!

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 6:47pm

And main problem of these complainers is that they don't even try to think they are a bit wrong.They think that there were no massive ripping by Axel and they just(ok...it's theavenger, I won't talk in plural all the time) ignore when you say them there was ripping by Axel.I still didn't get reply, although I mentioned it quite few times on the forum and he must have read it.

Complainers also never participate in any other discussions, what's quite questionable about their real reason for being here...they are really here just for complaining and are not even interested in partipating on the forum as such.

You should redirect your negative energy somewhere else, have a good sex with your girlfriend, it certainly relaxes you.(or can't you find any, because you are too depressed ?

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 7:27pm

Quoted from ""Butcher""

And main problem of these complainers is that they don't even try to think they are a bit wrong.They think that there were no massive ripping by Axel and they just(ok...it's theavenger, I won't talk in plural all the time) ignore when you say them there was ripping by Axel.I still didn't get reply, although I mentioned it quite few times on the forum and he must have read it.

Complainers also never participate in any other discussions, what's quite questionable about their real reason for being here...they are really here just for complaining and are not even interested in partipating on the forum as such.

You should redirect your negative energy somewhere else, have a good sex with your girlfriend, it certainly relaxes you.(or can't you find any, because you are too depressed ? )

NO you are wrong and not realistic man. I know with every member was ripping but never so much like with JAY FROG. Just look on album We BRING THE NOISE from which Track is Acid Bomb ripped or We bring the Noise or Are you happy or Remedy you don't find any ripped thing at this tracks cause they made own tracks this time. Almost the whole album is without ripp off tracks. and then look to MIND THE GAP almost every track is a rip off track. And singles were also with more own made parts. THIRD CHAPTER is the biggest rip chapter in Scooter history and the most uncreative.

On every first and second CHAPTEr album are more tracks with own made parts like on TSTE and MTG together! Also singles had more own sound idea parts like now. Just listen to THE PUSHER this was own creative and fresh basis soundwork without any stolen element Axel prepared for single!

AND to people who say we haters should leave forum. THat's crap we like SCOOTER we only dislike third chapter with Jay Frog and why should we leave this forum? This forum is not only for we love everything scooter ever do people.

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 7:30pm

Quoted from ""Butcher""

Complainers also never participate in any other discussions, what's quite questionable about their real reason for being here...they are really here just for complaining and are not even interested in partipating on the forum as such.

Heh, I talked about it some time ago but I was attacked that "I can't accept other people opinion".
But I'm glad that many people started to perceive developer real point. Now I don't feel necessity to answer people like him. For what I should answer people with so low personality?

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 7:46pm

Why are we wasting our time talking about complainers instead of actually taking about the issue at hand? Every topic that is even remotely negative or aimed at critically assessing Scooter as a band turns into a topic about "haters' and "fanatics". Why does every negative assessment of Scooter (however negative) have to be viewed as complaining? And equally why does every reaction to negative comments have to be viewed as "fanaticism"? It's an endless cycle.

Just discuss the title of the topic!!

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 8:24pm

@ theavenger:

You have not answered. There for one can think you don't have any answer.

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Scobom X

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 8:24pm

As I said this topic is fucking shit. It should be called: "What do you think about Scooter creativity?".

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Mega

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 9:33pm

As I said: You're not helping by fucking swearing. :wink:

[size=7]I won't EVA do that again.[/size]

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 9:34pm

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As I said: You're not helping by fucking swearing. :wink:

[size=7]I won't EVA do that again.[/size]

I was going to ask how the you managed that - but now I see

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 9:44pm

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As I said: You're not helping by fucking swearing. :wink:

[size=7]I won't EVA do that again.[/size]

And what's your f.ucking problem??? :lol:

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 9:55pm

another silly topic!!

go change your music style; topic starter !!!
:evil:

Tomorrowland was great !!

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 10:02pm

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another silly topic!!

go change your music style; topic starter !!!

Come on, man. Have you actually read what Hyper says? He's making a personal observation - an observation which he's offered to the community for discussion. Give the guy a break. Why not respond to the topic with your own personal opinion? - respond to the questions posed? - either that or ignore the topic altogether.

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 10:14pm

Quoted from ""pjad_uk""

Why are we wasting our time talking about complainers instead of actually taking about the issue at hand? Every topic that is even remotely negative or aimed at critically assessing Scooter as a band turns into a topic about "haters' and "fanatics". Why does every negative assessment of Scooter (however negative) have to be viewed as complaining? And equally why does every reaction to negative comments have to be viewed as "fanaticism"? It's an endless cycle.

Just discuss the title of the topic!!

I'm prepared to accept other people's opinions, but theavenger starts sharing his point of view in every single topic, not just in those that are related to Jay Frog.And that's spamming in my opinion!!

There's a forum called Track review topic and when he wrote his review of some track, he must have mentioned how Jay destroys Scooter.Was it necessary?Was it about the title of the topic?

No!

And it's hard to stay close to the title, because it's always somehow redirected.

@theavenger:
Wrong!Dose of ripping is the same!Just at the time you were listening to 2nd chapter, there was no such use of Internet and there didn't exist databases of ripped songs.
And please, don't say that in 1st chapter is less ripping, just look how obvious some covers are.Even more than anytime later.

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 10:34pm

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@theavenger:
Wrong!Dose of ripping is the same!Just at the time you were listening to 2nd chapter, there was no such use of Internet and there didn't exist databases of ripped songs.
And please, don't say that in 1st chapter is less ripping, just look how obvious some covers are.Even more than anytime later.

the same dose? again not realistic. which second or first chapter album was so much ripped like MIND THE GAP? count the tracks not 1 Scooter album in history. And in first and second chapter they did sometimes own compositon singles like Friends, Endless Summer, Fire or Faster Harder Scooter, Aiii Shot the DJ, Posse or She's The Sun. And which single in third chapter is without massive ripped chorus or melodies? Not 1

yes in first chapter they did a lot covers singles or mainly own tracks with 1 ripped melody like BACK IN THE U.K. or NO FATE but albums were also with lot own compositions. and now? only 1 or 2 tracks on album are own compositions the rest is ripped from other tracks. And in past most instrumentals were full own compositions and with JAY FROG they started even to cover the instrumentals on album like Liquid is Liquid, A Little Bit Too Fast, Trip to Nowhere. And then look to Trancendental, Where do we Go?, Down To The Bone, Dusty Vinyl, Cubic, No Release, Frequent Traveller, Time And Space, Don't Stop this were all creative album own compositions without ripped melodies.

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 10:44pm

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As I said: You're not helping by fucking swearing. :wink:

[size=7]I won't EVA do that again.[/size]

And what's your f.ucking problem??? :lol:

I have no fucking problem.

:lol:

Ok, ok, that's enough. (if you haven't already guessed i'm using humor to break up the argument)

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