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Quoted from ""Pitchshifter""

Quoted from ""-Iron-""

As I said, sometimes I agree with you, but sometimes (sorry to say) you write such a bullsh*t, that every kid knows you have missed the point maximally....

I don't think different when I read your comments. :wink:

Well, I have said where I think you are wrong.Is it hard for you to do the same....

Quoted from ""Mr Hyper""

but other bands like Starsplash who haven't chneged their style have no success today: "Hardystyle" didn't reach Top50 in Germany!

And plus that song was horrible. I can't stand Starsplash at all.

- Will

I also agree with Mr.Hyper.
I really stopped listening to this kind of music because of the all over and over again female vocals and some beats and nothing new.
All MTV's dance floor chart is the same thing.
From all artists you mentioned above I stayed only with ATB,he has a place in my book,from the beginning.
Other artists like Kai Tracid,Jan Wayne,Starsplash and many others,I stopped listening,I don't put much attention to new dance acts either,or for that matter to any other dance track out there.
I mean if in 98 I'd listened to every new track,to see if I like the melody,if there's something special in the sound for me,to decide if I'll follow this artist or not,so now when I hear dance track I just change the channel.
Actually listen more to rock,I started hearing Aerosmith,Scorpions,Queen and such,and I find it far more satisfying,that any modern dance track.
Scooter are still great to me,and I respect them for changing the styles,even if covering,but at least most of the covers are better than originals,which is not always true in other genres of music.

some statistics:
Starsplash:
Wonderful Days 2001- Top5 in Germany
-fresh, hard and a nice hpvoice, often played at parties and in clubs
Free- Top10 in Germany
- female voice instead of a high pitched voice, the song is a bit longer and it contains a "hradcore Part", the Starsplash style appears still fresh and rough- and the success is on Starsplash's side
Rainbow in the sky
-very similar to Free, but the good old rave sound hasn't lost its fascination- nevertheless Starsplash don't appear so fresh and trendy anymore- as a consequence rainbow in the sky "only" reaches Top20
Travel Time
-return to the high pitched voice, sound is a bit rougher, nice melody- but not very innovative and fresh- as a consequence the song reached Top20 but was less successful than "Rainbow"
Friends
- female voice again, not very hard, not very fresh, completely no innovation- nvertheless- Top20 in Germany
Endless Fantasy
- an exact copy of Friends and Free- they use even the same sound they've used in Free in the beginning of both songs- the cobnsequence: less success- Top30
Alive
- because of the nice hardcore part with a shouter ("the biggest the best...") a bit more innovative than the songs before, but people are bored because of the female voice, always the same keybord melodies etc- Top50
Can U kick it
- nice try to ride on the "Maria (I like it loud)"-trend, hard bass, rough sound, Dick Rules as MC- but: the melody is too redneck (4 drunk people: I I I OOOO) and it reminds too much of Maria- Top50, could have a better place, but Starsplash have lost their good reputation at MTV, Viva etc...
Hardsytle
- nervy high pitched voice, no nice melody, no MC only bass and HPV- too boring, Starsplash never made a video or the video was never shown- doesn't matter- Top70 because of the big lacking of rfesh ideas and innovative beats

So as you can see bands like Starsplash have created their own commercial downturn because they rode on old waves and pressed new trends out- if you take a look at their compilation "Maximum Inside" you'll see that there are a lot of female voice/HPV-tracks- Starsplash have learned nothing and so they are not successful anymore!
What is the reason?- Maybe techno producers are good technology checkers and mixers but not good musicians and so they are not able to produce self-written, innovative tracks?

Quoted from ""Mr Hyper""

some statistics:
Starsplash:
Wonderful Days 2001- Top5 in Germany
-fresh, hard and a nice hpvoice, often played at parties and in clubs
Free- Top10 in Germany
- female voice instead of a high pitched voice, the song is a bit longer and it contains a "hradcore Part", the Starsplash style appears still fresh and rough- and the success is on Starsplash's side
Rainbow in the sky
-very similar to Free, but the good old rave sound hasn't lost its fascination- nevertheless Starsplash don't appear so fresh and trendy anymore- as a consequence rainbow in the sky "only" reaches Top20
Travel Time
-return to the high pitched voice, sound is a bit rougher, nice melody- but not very innovative and fresh- as a consequence the song reached Top20 but was less successful than "Rainbow"
Friends
- female voice again, not very hard, not very fresh, completely no innovation- nvertheless- Top20 in Germany
...

You forgot:

Starsplash feat. Daisy Dee - FLY AWAY (Owner Of Your Heart)

August 2003



Well I think it reaches Top20 in Germany??!

I like this song!

Quoted from ""-Iron-""

Quoted from ""Pitchshifter""

I think the problem is that in USA Dance&Trance popularity is just at the beginning. At least european style of Dance&Trance. So it's hard to understand for US people that we(especially Germany) were overwhelmed massive with commercial Dance/Trance covers since the 90's. European people get stated after all this years of techno cover versions. They covered almost the whole 80's even 70's and at last they begin to cover old 90's tracks again. People want finally new own hit creations again and not billions of covers. Yes Scooter had big success with their cover versions and rip-offs in past, but I think sometime also Scooter will reach the critical point that fans be tired of covers all the time and don't buy every cover single anymore.

Pitchshifter, sometimes you write so good posts but sometimes you write total nonsense.First you mentioned in one of the previous post that dance in Germany is dead!I was really shocked when I read that from you because I was sure that a dance music fan from Germany knows the fact -> that dance music in Germany is alive and that most of commercial dance artists came from Germany!!

Secondly, someone who is getting to know dance music, will really not be bothered about covers.It's first impression which is important and I'm sure US posse will like moving, jumping, dancing and will not be bothered about covers.If I heard a new style of music and liked it, the first thing I wouldn't do, would be checking if this song is original or not.Maybe you would immediately do that, but I would not...maybe later...and believe me, most of the people won't do it!

And don't forget, we on forum are micrometre of all Scooter fans, most of them even don't know that Scooter has ever covered, so don't generalise situation according to the forum - it's pointless.

As I said, sometimes I agree with you, but sometimes (sorry to say) you write such a bullsh*t, that every kid knows you have missed the point maximally....

You're total right Iron

Quoted from ""-Iron-""

Quoted from ""Pitchshifter""

I think the problem is that in USA Dance&Trance popularity is just at the beginning. At least european style of Dance&Trance. So it's hard to understand for US people that we(especially Germany) were overwhelmed massive with commercial Dance/Trance covers since the 90's. European people get stated after all this years of techno cover versions. They covered almost the whole 80's even 70's and at last they begin to cover old 90's tracks again. People want finally new own hit creations again and not billions of covers. Yes Scooter had big success with their cover versions and rip-offs in past, but I think sometime also Scooter will reach the critical point that fans be tired of covers all the time and don't buy every cover single anymore.

Pitchshifter, sometimes you write so good posts but sometimes you write total nonsense.First you mentioned in one of the previous post that dance in Germany is dead!I was really shocked when I read that from you because I was sure that a dance music fan from Germany knows the fact -> that dance music in Germany is alive and that most of commercial dance artists came from Germany!!

Secondly, someone who is getting to know dance music, will really not be bothered about covers.It's first impression which is important and I'm sure US posse will like moving, jumping, dancing and will not be bothered about covers.If I heard a new style of music and liked it, the first thing I wouldn't do, would be checking if this song is original or not.Maybe you would immediately do that, but I would not...maybe later...and believe me, most of the people won't do it!

And don't forget, we on forum are micrometre of all Scooter fans, most of them even don't know that Scooter has ever covered, so don't generalise situation according to the forum - it's pointless.

As I said, sometimes I agree with you, but sometimes (sorry to say) you write such a bullsh*t, that every kid knows you have missed the point maximally....

Well, I must say that we have here some serious people too.

You're know "what's about" Iron, respect.

However I noticed that "covers, ripping" discussion is still on, even Pitschifter "lost" many posts ago.

So Iron and others, don't bother yourselves - let's ignore this guy!

How can someone say that dance in Germany is dead??!!Are you just blind that you don't notice new commercial dance artists that have appeared in the last time - 90% of them are from Germany.I could say at least 15 commercial artists that came from Germany and are right now well known among European dance clubs.They don't have such a big sucess, but they are well known, their songs make people move and provide a good atmosphere.

Maybe you are talking only from a view-point of Germany, but I can say you that German dance is far most popular in South Europe.Everywhere you can hear commercial music - it is played in discos, on radios, special dance radio stations....Far from dead!

Thanks for the links, I know German, so no problemo.

Seems that German is pushing their own dance down, but as I still say, their dance music is popular outside Germany!I've realized I was really a bit wrong when I said before that German dance is more alive than ever!Reading these links, it seems that what makes German dance alive, are mostly fans from other countries that buy this dance stuff.

I know that on local television from Croatia, Serbia and Slovenia new commercial dance artists are often showed, even videoscenes and some interviews and on local radio stations (of the same countries) that are specialized only for dance, German dance is the most popular.

Quoted from ""Pitchshifter""

I noticed that Thorsten (member of Blank&Jones) is posting at Blank&Jones forum sometimes. And they've got also a big forum posse. About 700 members. So why it's unimpossible for Scooter to post sometimes some replies? I mean it's not so important, but the excuse we've got no time is doubtable. How can there be time for reading the forum but not for posting sometimes? :lol:

Indeed, how can they don't have enough time, they are really not that busy, if making only covers and ripp-offs?That's easy job!

Or maybe media doesn't want to support german dancemusic, because it's mostly B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T. There are few expections (Scooter, ATB, PvD, Blank & Jones, Kai Tracid), but I can't stand most of the german dancesongs. And all ideas have been used like 9000 times before.

I tend to agree with you.All dance is recycled over and over again with female vocals and same beat and music.
I also listen to ATB,Scooter,PVD because they have special place in my book.The other dance acts I hear,I just change the channel.
About the industry itself,that they don't want to release much dance music is true,like in Sash's case-he has an album ready for over a year,but he can't find a good contract with record companies,he says that now the business is hard,and especially the "numbers",so I think he means that they won't give hime much money for the deal,so maybe this is also what stops the dance in Germany-the bad deals,although Sash is great too,so I don't understand why they wouldn't give him what he wants,he's pretty succesful artist.
So from this example,I can see why dance is stopped in some countries.
I guess its cheaper to give deal to unknown new dance act,than to known artist who requests more money,because he's good and already well known.

And in most music magazines available in the South Europe, I can only read articles from rock or metal bands.Old and well-known industrial groups, that have been on a stage for ages, are mentioned always and same things are written every time - the last tour of U2 was in 4 magazines on 2 pages in each.It's a big problem today because reporters are so subjective and write only about style they admire - it can be seen from an article that author of the text is a rocker too.

There are few magazines that support dance music and inform people about new stuff.There's one great web page www.mister-deejay.com, but unfortunately it's only in Slovene language so most of you don't understand it, although some important news are also in English.

On this page dance music is really advertised a lot, every new stuff has recension(+ sites, - sites) and there are also charts of the most popular dance music for this week/month.

have i posted here yet??? i dont wanna scroll through all of these pages...

I think the situation isn't change a lot - people still like Techno music (like Starsplash or Rocco). But there is some other reason why the situation changed a bit.
As you know, to get commercial success you need publicity and promotion. Most popular music channel in Germany is Viva. But Viva totally changed since 2004 summer. More pop shits, O-zone's Schnappi's and other dark magic shits is played mostly at Viva. Before the change they played a lot Dance music, Strasplash for example. But now they play dance music only in Club Rotation. For good they still play Scooter videos (I saw on Viva superb track from Max Graham - "Owner Of The Lonely Heart" but they removed it quiclky from the playlist). So tracks from Strasplash for example without promotion never will reach commercial success. Even ATB "Believe In Me" wasn't played on Viva! And the result - #53 chart position, "Humanity" - #64 (such a great track and so bad position:/).
But Techno music is still popular, just look at CD's like "Future Trance", "Trance Voices". Artists like Pulsedriver, Bass-T and others still release new tracks because there are people whose want to hear they music even we can't see it on TV. And fuck this! It's good, I don't want Dance music to be pop music. It doesn't matter for me, what's the chart position of some track or if it's played on Viva. Look, what's track are on the #1 place's in charts nowdays? O-zone, Schnappi, Fuckppii and Akon. Bleh! It's good that Techno music is more "Underground" nowdays.

And one more thing: I don't blame artists like Rocco or Bass-T because they tracks are simple and they aren't art acts. They tracks are pure 100% party tracks with hard pumpin' bass and kicks. And we need tracks like that too! Aqualoop rule! (Axel is a part of Aqualoop too).

It's simple for me. If I have willingness to hear something serious I listen ATB, Scooter, Kyau vs. Albert, Blank And Jones etc. And when I want to have big beats in my head I listen to something "simple". It's good that we have this choice, I like very much to listen Sven-R-G vs. Bass-T tracks loud, especially in the gym.