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Quoted from ""Pitchshifter""

There are always better tracks. We all have a different taste. :wink:
But i just want show what's possible and what Scooter are doing. They got such a high-tech studio with big collection of synthesizers. But they don't work freaky and time-consuming on their equipment to produce such own ideas and hits. They could do it, but they don't have the will to fiddle on own tracks. That's the sad part. They rather choose a draft and mix it with a few own sounds. That's the fastest way of commercial producing, but not the way to produce own creative tracks on high quality level which you can be proud at end of production. And I think if Scooter would do such creative own tracks Posse and Scooter could be more proud of Scooter music and more people would buy their cds again. Also me!

But it seemd they are still to lazy. I don't have much hope for own tracks on new album. If I hear such things like with rights from Explode, which Jens Jordan confirmed me. :roll:

Remember what own creative tracks they did in past. Listen just to re-released Hyper Hyper vinyl. Unity without Words p1 and Rhapsody in E! This time they spend really time on own creative tracks.

Scooter is following the tradition of The KLF. The KLF has created songs with combining different samples or parts of the other songs.E.g. a song can start with a very calm music, almost ritualistic music and then in a second hard bass takes over the track and rapping starts.

Scooter mentioned a lot of times that they found inspiration in project The KLF and in that case they are creating songs with 'taking something from this and from that'...It's the band ideology - that didn't show to be harmful so far.And it won't be.

Many fans would like to see unique Scooter tracks, their own sound - these things are quite different for me because The KLF (with all other names) has been my favourite group and it still is and being a real KLF fan makes you used to constructed tracks, because this is the point of KLF project!You are always amazed how different samples can be joined together.

In my opinion, Scooter is doing nothing wrong at the moment, but I understand your feelings, you want to see more Scooter unique sound.

Quoted from ""Pitchshifter""

Quoted from ""Z.E.K.O.""

In my opinion, Scooter is doing nothing wrong at the moment, but I understand your feelings, you want to see more Scooter unique sound.

. Dance music is dead in Germany and the countless uncreative commercial dance covers were also a reason for dead of Dance. Scooter are the last existing commercial Dance production group with success, but if Scooter just continue with this again and again they will also fall in next future. That's what I try to avert! So don't wonder if we maybe get another flop if next single is just another standard cover.

I wouldn't really agree here. :?
Most of dance commercial artists came either from Germany or from Italy.Cascada, Vinylshakers, 666, Starsplash, Special D, Wayne, Brooklyn bounce, I could count for ages.....dance is really far from dead in Germany!It's Germany and Italy that make dance music alive!

And I also would not agree about you saying that Scooter will have a big flop in the future.To make things clear, I dislike covers too, but Scooter has covered since the very beginning - with Ferris, even more with Axel and now with Jay.There was no flop so far, why would it be now?

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Most people are really tired of uncreative dance covers

Who do you mean by that?

Quoted from ""Pitchshifter""

Quoted from ""Z.E.K.O.""

In my opinion, Scooter is doing nothing wrong at the moment, but I understand your feelings, you want to see more Scooter unique sound.

Yes but Scooter are damage her own call more and more with this cause they doing it so massive and everytime. I fear immense seeling losings in next future if new stuff is again no own stuff for the most part.

Most people are really tired of uncreative Dance covers. Commercial Dance music is dead in Germany and the countless uncreative commercial dance covers were also a reason for dead of Dance. Scooter are the last existing commercial Dance production group with big success, but if Scooter just continue with this again and again they will also fall in next future. That's what I try to avert! So don't wonder if we maybe get another flop if next single is just another standard cover.

We have completely different points of view but I still say that there will not be any flop.If The KLF never experienced any flop and they covered, ripp-offed more than Scooter, then Scooter also won't.

Quoted from ""scooterusa""

Break it up was a cover.

I thought Break It Up was not a cover :?

But I agree about them al being good music and making people move

Thanks - yes I know who wrote it (and Don't Let it Be Me - 2 rather nice tracks )

Look, it's late (past midnight here in the UK) and i'm tired. Thus, i won't enter this rather interesting debate right now even tho i'd like to. But i have to take issue with the following comment...

Quoted from ""scooterusa""

SO pitchshifter, and develop shut your faces...

I'm sorry, but there is no need for such a comment. "Shut your faces". What kind of thing to say is that? ... Why can't people express opinions that are different to yours? This is a forum!! Where people discuss things! Why does every debate in this forum have to degenerate into unnecessary comments like "You're an idiot", "shut up" or "you're not a real fan"? If you can't accept that other people have different views about Scooter to you and if you can't tolerate those views then i suggest you "shut your face".

Here in the US, popularity of electronica is limited to only the most popish trance. Several record companies like Radikal Records (basically the American version of Kontor) and Ultra Records simply take Kontor's CDs and release them over here. The last trance song I heard was popular here in the States was D.H.T.'s "Listen to Your Heart".

- Will

SO what if it's covers.
KLF were really successful in Europe,and everybody new they were covering,maybe even without permission of original copyrighters,I think they got sued couple of times,one of the times by ABBA if I'm not mistaking,and still they were liked and famous in the music industry.
They even had a book telling everyone how to make a good and successful cover.

Quoted from ""Pitchshifter""

I think the problem is that in USA Dance&Trance popularity is just at the beginning. At least european style of Dance&Trance. So it's hard to understand for US people that we(especially Germany) were overwhelmed massive with commercial Dance/Trance covers since the 90's. European people get stated after all this years of techno cover versions. They covered almost the whole 80's even 70's and at last they begin to cover old 90's tracks again. People want finally new own hit creations again and not billions of covers. Yes Scooter had big success with their cover versions and rip-offs in past, but I think sometime also Scooter will reach the critical point that fans be tired of covers all the time and don't buy every cover single anymore.

Pitchshifter, sometimes you write so good posts but sometimes you write total nonsense.First you mentioned in one of the previous post that dance in Germany is dead!I was really shocked when I read that from you because I was sure that a dance music fan from Germany knows the fact -> that dance music in Germany is alive and that most of commercial dance artists came from Germany!!

Secondly, someone who is getting to know dance music, will really not be bothered about covers.It's first impression which is important and I'm sure US posse will like moving, jumping, dancing and will not be bothered about covers.If I heard a new style of music and liked it, the first thing I wouldn't do, would be checking if this song is original or not.Maybe you would immediately do that, but I would not...maybe later...and believe me, most of the people won't do it!

And don't forget, we on forum are micrometre of all Scooter fans, most of them even don't know that Scooter has ever covered, so don't generalise situation according to the forum - it's pointless.

As I said, sometimes I agree with you, but sometimes (sorry to say) you write such a bullsh*t, that every kid knows you have missed the point maximally....

Quoted from ""Xer""

SO what if it's covers.
KLF were really successful in Europe,and everybody new they were covering,maybe even without permission of original copyrighters,I think they got sued couple of times,one of the times by ABBA if I'm not mistaking,and still they were liked and famous in the music industry.
They even had a book telling everyone how to make a good and successful cover.

Scooter should slow down on the covering not because making original songs will make them more or less successful, but because making original music is more fulfilling for the band and everyone concerned... not to mention the fact they would avoid being flamed by artists like M.I.K.E. and his fans and they would earn more respect thoughtout the genre of dance.

Quoted from ""-Iron-""

but sometimes (sorry to say) you write such a bullsh*t, that every kid knows you have missed the point maximally....

Well, that's a matter of opinion. :wink:

Quoted from ""pjad_uk""

Quoted from ""-Iron-""

but sometimes (sorry to say) you write such a bullsh*t, that every kid knows you have missed the point maximally....

Well, that's a matter of opinion. :wink:

Yeah, OK, I didn't mean to be rude, but I was really shocked when I read some things that I thought a German dance fan knows for sure.

Commercial techno shrinked in Germany/Belgium/the Netherlands because of the following fact:
in 2001 Scooter resurrected Happy Hardcore with their song Posse- I need you on the floor- old happy rave elements like the high pitched voice, nice pianos and rough beats were comined with a modern and hard bass. For a short time Techno was very popular in Europe: Mark'OH, Stasplash, Rocco, Groove Coverage, Brooklyn bounce, ATB, Kai Tracid etc.. had a lot of top ten hits ("Wondeful Days 2001"; "Let this party never end"; "Because the night"...). But the problem was: within a period of two years a lot of singles were released in the same style: chorus sung by a female or a high pitched voice, bass comined with the keybord melody taken from the chorus, again chorus, again bass plus keybord melody, "hardcore part" (Yeeeaaahhh, we wantz some posse...), chorus. So everyone was fed up with this music- Scooter alone released five singles in a row with this style, Starsplash are still producing such singles ("Hardstyle my style") and Jan Wayne hasn't changed his style either.
Scooter just survived this downturn because they produced songs in different styles after "The nIght"- Jigga, Jigga! (Hard Trance/Stadium Techno); Maria (Hardstyle/Stadium Techno); Shake That! (House)- but other bands like Starsplash who haven't chneged their style have no success today: "Hardystyle" didn't reach Top50 in Germany!
So in my opinion techno (at least commercial techno) will never die, but a new idea is necessary, an idea that creates a new techno trend- like Posse in 2001!