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Quoted from "May<3"

it wouldn't surprise me to hear that Scooter's management noticed this dilapidated state of affairs and opted to pull out of the event.

maybe so, but i personly see this in scooter advantage, a uk tour, kinda paid for by clubland, all scooter have to do is show up, would be scooters favour, and a way to get back in the uk again, also i would have thought that AATW would want the techno legends there, this would help them out too, i presume most of the tickets sold due to scooter

Quoted from "May<3"

I still think Scooter opted to cancel their role in these Clubland dates to preserve a flow of inspiration in the studio

could be aswell, has been done before, and i kinda would see this happening, but like before i would think scooter would have mentioned this.

well i see it as wait till the next one, it will proberly be better promoted and have better artits there, bring on clubland live 4 part 2

ih yeah i got my refund today aswell, looks like they kept true to there word

well nowone really actually knows, its all speculation,
but i hardly dought that if an artist pulled out of a concert that the whole concerts would be cancelled, it would be more trouble than it is worth to them, if scooter did pull out they could have easily been replaced. even if it ment a few changes on the setlist.

there was definitly some problems with AATW, they made a mistake and had to cancel the lot,
the way i see it, if scooter pulled out , the other artist wouldnt follow too,

Quoted from "kelvo"

but i hardly dought that if an artist pulled out of a concert that the whole concerts would be cancelled

actually, it would. the dance nation tour was cancelled when sash pulled out. when you change the main acts you must give a postponement notice or call it all off. simple as, its advertising standards, very strict.

i soppose ypur both right, it would seem many wanted to see scooter and thats it,

but again we really know nothing, but scooter pulling out would kinda be the real truth
and the reason would likely be the new albums work and the upcoming tour,
i supose to scooter them two things are way more important to them than clubland live
what with all the recent cancellations too, this could be true
but i dont wanna believe it
and if so im also guessing scooter may have had to silence AATW to save scooter a big load of trouble in the future, if clubland fans found out scooter were the culprits, not saying they were, then scooters hopes of uk success will be dented hard

but again we know nothing, for all we know, AATWmay have actually done it due to whatever reason, or maybe a few venues pulled out, as i have known a venue before to call of th show for maitenence or something, and it was a no go

the only thing that really puzzles me is if scooter did pull out, then why not AATW re arrange the dates, to say next year,
ok it will anoy fans that they would have to wait, but as said before, other acts were working on new stuff and preparing tours too, if they moved the dates then it could have been saved, maybe even add some more dates and acts-everyone would have had new stuff to promote and it would have been fresher for the fans

i just cant understand why they would choose nor to re arrange dates to be more conveniant rather than call it off,
the only thing that would stop that is if they could not change dates with the venues-having said that fans could have kept tickets and maybe AATW could have chose new vebues to suit

I don't think the cancellation of Clubland 4 is anything to do with Scooter, it seems to be purely a AATW decision. Look at the promotion for Clubland 4, if none of us were Scooter fans would we of actually known that their had been a Clubland Live 4 scheduled for October? I know I wouldn't - I've not seen any promotion, TV adverts, adverts in the national press etc.

To me it all points towards poor up-front ticket sales, which probably worried AATW into pulling the plug rather than incur costs they may not of been able to cover? Only choosing 5 venues from the start to me shows that AATW were concerned over initial costs of the clubland tour from the very start?

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Quoted from "Sandra"

Scooter were not responsible for the cancellation !!'

do you actually know or just think this?

Sigh...

Do you even have to ask?
The only people weho can answer really are AATW, SJM Concerts or maybe Kontor - and as I work for non of these I can't give a definative answer, and I guess there are all sort of contracts involved anyway - so I'll give you my opinion:
Why would Scooter pull out of this and not the other concerts - for example Bulgaria?
Why would Scooter especially pull out of a tour in the UK - H.P. said in an interview that getting to number 1 was the high point of his time in Scooter - Clubland helps keep Scooter alive in the UK, and to pull out would be UK suicide - AATW would (I imagine) be very reluctant to ever release Scooter again if Scooter did this - I can't see Scooter wanting to give up on the UK..... I know how happy they were to be here and be at Clubland in the past - they would not give that up for a few extra days in the studio
If Scooter pulled out so late I imagine it would cost them heavily (financially) - if they are contracted and everything is arranged they would not be able to just pull out without a heavy financial penalty in my view.
Scooter are a proffesional band with many years experience - they would not just withdraw from a tour - gigs get cancelled for all kinds of reasons, and I have been the victim of a few cancelled gigs in the past, and the only one that could be in anyway attributed to Scooter was the time H.P. broke his shoulder - Scooter don't just cancel for the fun of it

Very well said Sandra. It just doesn't make sense if it were Scooter who had pulled out of the tour and made the whole thing collapse. It makes so much more sense that it was AATW. Perhaps it is just unfortunate that AATW have been so vague as to why they cancelled that it has allowed everyone to come to their own conclusions.

Well said Sandra. My thoughts exactly. And not to forget the Finland gig: a relatively small club gig in the middle of nowhere but they came and did it just as promised -- as they always do. And remembering Rick's words in the recent interview, they're playing with ideas and experimenting, it's not the craziest studio phase yet, so it'd be even more unlikely they'd throw away their UK conquering just to fiddle a few more days with electro house... And generally, it's impossible for me to see Scooter dropping out of huge shows just to spend a few days in studio, that'd be so unreasonable and so unlike them. As said, by me, if they needed extra time, they could just have it later.

Quoted from "May<3"

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I don't know whether they use Youtube or twitter (Perhaps you can confirm this)

yes aatw have a popular youtube channel with about 67,500 subscribers http://www.youtube.com/user/Steveaatw
as for twitter they do have an account but don't use it very often http://twitter.com/clublandfm

Quoted from "Daniel"

Only choosing 5 venues from the start to me shows that AATW were concerned over initial costs of the clubland tour from the very start?

thanks, ive been saying this from the start, AATW have definatly had some sort of problems

Quoted from "May<3"

But you're forgetting all of the members at the AATW forum. Not to mention the near 100,000 followers of Clubland on the social networking site Facebook

it would seem that to me the tickets may have been pretty well, but as said by me and other clubland fans, nobody really wanted to rnb acts, to me this whole tour was wrong from the start, i remember when i seen the ad for the first time, i thought yes, scooter are coming to the uk again, i missed the first 2 with scooter, and i thought i aint missing this one, but AATW seento that, but when i seen who was going aswell as scooter i thought, this is gonna be a rubbish night, apart from scooter

Quoted from "Count Acid"

And remembering Rick's words in the recent interview, they're playing with ideas and experimenting, it's not the craziest studio phase yet,

exactly, there is no reason for scooter to pull out

Quoted from "Count Acid"

And generally, it's impossible for me to see Scooter dropping out of huge shows just to spend a few days in studio

and i also said this too, these clubland events were all bound for 15.000 fans each, the events would have been to big to miss for scooter,

I very much doubt that the cancellation is for reasons to do with Scooter. Firstly for something of the Clubland Live scale their will of been contracts in place to avoid that - like somebody has posted earlier in this topic it just wouldn't be financially viable for Scooter to pull out! (Especially this late)



I also don't think it's anything to do with Scooter's 'creative commitments' and working on the new album etc... We don't have a release date for the new album (just hear/say on an average time of year) and more importantly we all know Scooter are extremely commercial, at the end of the day they have to earn money and I feel the Clubland concerts are too much a good commercial oppurtunity to miss... Look what happened before from these concerts - #1 album in the UK and lots of press!!!



I imagine it is more due to AATW and maybe problems with ticket sales? I wouldn't be surprised if AATW are suffering financially at the moment - there isn't many businesses that aren't - most of the UK is in a bit of a mess at the moment and maybe at this time it just hasn't been financially possible for AATW to pull it off?

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Personally I'm not please either as I was looking forward to Manchester and it was all booked and ready to go!!!

by looking at all the facts we have concluded here i too still believe it wernt scooter, in my opiniun, if scooter did pull out, then by know someone would have let slip, it is as AATW says, they had a few problems, and looks to me that they wish not to mention why, but they did

all i can say is wait till the next clubland live, it will be amazing, AATW will have to pull out all the stops to make it succedd

My mind is now turning to getting my money back and I note I haven't heard from Ticketmaster at all about Birmingham. Has anyone else?

I was just going to ask the same - I have heard about Newcastle and Glasgow but nothing about Birmingham, and my ticketmaster account is not shown as being refunded

I am going to send them an email!

Let me know what they say.....