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Scooterworld

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Saturday, April 24th 2010, 3:59pm

if they wanna borrow then they should make the modification on beforehand, not this way. :wacko:

Luckily it's a little modification this time ;) On the JAOTW DVD we had a totally different intro than the real one, that was shocking to hear for me when I put the official DVD in my player. :S :wacko:
Thank god that I also recorded the show from VIVA, so I have the original intro + RBR of the JAOTW tour ;)
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Saturday, April 24th 2010, 6:05pm

but they probably had a reason to play the real exorsist melody on the concert, probably because they liked it and could play it live, but couldn't get the rights to release this melody on CD I suppose

With that in mind, couldn't they just have applied the same form of editing onto WTB by removing the new chorus for the original one? Given that you mentioned the introduction to the JAOTW concert was modified on the DVD, I'd imagine they could have just preserved the track and avoided the copyright restriction by inserting the original chorus on there for legal distribution afterward. This issue just again struck me as a little odd upon hearing the quite blatant alteration of the Exorcist theme in the intro, which was understandably altered for the same reason.

What's your take on this? Feel free to ask for clarification if you're uncertain of what I mean.

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Saturday, April 24th 2010, 6:30pm

if they wanna borrow then they should make the modification on beforehand, not this way. :wacko:

Luckily it's a little modification this time ;) On the JAOTW DVD we had a totally different intro than the real one, that was shocking to hear for me when I put the official DVD in my player. :S :wacko:
Thank god that I also recorded the show from VIVA, so I have the original intro + RBR of the JAOTW tour ;)


Oh my, I didn't even know that! 8| I was not in Berlin so I had no idea... :wacko: Shame on you Scooter! :thumbdown:

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Saturday, April 24th 2010, 8:29pm

but they probably had a reason to play the real exorsist melody on the concert, probably because they liked it and could play it live, but couldn't get the rights to release this melody on CD I suppose

With that in mind, couldn't they just have applied the same form of editing onto WTB by removing the new chorus for the original one? Given that you mentioned the introduction to the JAOTW concert was modified on the DVD, I'd imagine they could have just preserved the track and avoided the copyright restriction by inserting the original chorus on there for legal distribution afterward. This issue just again struck me as a little odd upon hearing the quite blatant alteration of the Exorcist theme in the intro, which was understandably altered for the same reason.

What's your take on this? Feel free to ask for clarification if you're uncertain of what I mean.

I suppose they could have done that, but in fact they had to delete one track to make it fit onto the DVD (atleast I think that that was the reason why the track is missing), so maybe decided that it was better to leave the new version of WTB out of the DVD than to edit it and leave a more famous track out of the DVD in order to make it fit ;)
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Saturday, April 24th 2010, 9:10pm

Quoted

(atleast I think that that was the reason why the track is missing)
Most DVD's can hold up to a maximum of four hours of good quality video footage, so it obviously wasn't essential that the track be removed because of space limitation. The only other explanation is that they must have just wanted it to be an exclusive concert thing, sort of a bonus for those that were able to show up and support them on their tour. They could have easily did what I suggested and left Where The Beats on there, only replacing the U2 melody with the original chorus. There's no reason why that couldn't of worked.

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Saturday, April 24th 2010, 9:14pm

The only other explanation is that they must have just wanted it to be an exclusive concert thing, sort of a bonus for those that were able to show up and support them on their tour.

A bit like Jump That Rock on the last tour ;) But that one was on the DVD though :S But I think they made this version of WTB for a similar purpose, to surprise the visitors on the concert .... and who knows, maybe they only wanted to check if people like the U2 chorus, and maybe are planning to make another track with it in the future ? ;)
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Saturday, April 24th 2010, 9:17pm

Either way, I'm glad I heard this version of WTB, but now I'm ready for a MASSIVE live CD!!
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Saturday, April 24th 2010, 11:32pm

maybe they only wanted to check if people like the U2 chorus, and maybe are planning to make another track with it in the future ?

It got pretty intense here when a few of us noticed it absent from the finalized tracklist, and I wasn't among the fortunate to witness it in all its glory. So it clearly had some promising potential. I'm now crossing my fingers that they'll deliberate to release it free of charge, which I presume would evade the copyright conundrum inhibiting it's commercial distribution at this point. Irrespective of that minor casualty, we have a terrific live album schedule for release on the 7th May-- easily compensating for the loss of WTB.
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Saturday, April 24th 2010, 11:58pm

i herd the samples and liked what i herd, but i did notice the altered intro and also wonderd why the coulds not do this with WTB,
and i hope it is the samples, but the crowd seems missing some how
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Sunday, April 25th 2010, 11:56am

It's great that all tracks from DVD will be available as mp3!
But, as I will never pay for web/digital versions, it's obvious how I will get this one... :D

Of course, I will buy the CD/physical release. :thumbup:
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Sunday, April 25th 2010, 12:32pm

I'm not sure at the moment if I'm gonna buy one of the editions. There are so many ways today to get the stuff...

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Sunday, April 25th 2010, 6:34pm

oh yeah.. and these ways are very easy :D
but I still buy this stuff. I love licensed stuff. Inspite of download it.
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Sunday, April 25th 2010, 7:35pm

I love licensed stuff. Inspite of download it.
I only buy stuff which I use a lot (software) or which I enjoy (music, movies etc.)

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Sunday, April 25th 2010, 8:36pm

but they probably had a reason to play the real exorsist melody on the concert, probably because they liked it and could play it live, but couldn't get the rights to release this melody on CD I suppose

With that in mind, couldn't they just have applied the same form of editing onto WTB by removing the new chorus for the original one? Given that you mentioned the introduction to the JAOTW concert was modified on the DVD, I'd imagine they could have just preserved the track and avoided the copyright restriction by inserting the original chorus on there for legal distribution afterward. This issue just again struck me as a little odd upon hearing the quite blatant alteration of the Exorcist theme in the intro, which was understandably altered for the same reason.

What's your take on this? Feel free to ask for clarification if you're uncertain of what I mean.

I think I'd rather have no WTB live version at all, than such a "manipulated" version. IMO it just wouldn't be the same and I'd probably feel kinda betrayed as I want to listen to what really was played on the concert than a version that was reworked in the studio afterwards. Cuz everytime I'd hear this "manipulated" WTB version I couldn't help myself but think that this wasn't what was really played. And that would freak me more out than not hearing the tour version at all. To me that simply wouldn't be what a LIVE album should be, namely live.

As for the intro it's actually the same. It already pissed me off that they included the "fake" intro on the Live from Berlin 2008 DVD instead of the original one. The same goes for the intro which is going to be on the upcoming DVD/BluRay. Then I'd rather have the intro completely cut. But as it's just the intro it's not as bad as having a "real" track this way.
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Sunday, April 25th 2010, 8:58pm

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me too :)
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Sunday, April 25th 2010, 9:34pm

i am absolutely addicted to listening to these samples, I can't wait for the the dvd etc. now :D I love the way when posse + jaotw are played live their choruses are slightly modified, I also like the way HP changes around the words whether it deliberate or accidental I like it! Last of all hmistf! sounds really cool live when Rick sings parts of it! I noticed that from the live in berlin dvd :D I am so excitable :)

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Sunday, April 25th 2010, 11:47pm

Good post.
I think I'd rather have no WTB live version at all, than such a "manipulated" version. IMO it just wouldn't be the same and I'd probably feel kinda betrayed as I want to listen to what really was played on the concert than a version that was reworked in the studio afterwards. Cuz everytime I'd hear this "manipulated" WTB version I couldn't help myself but think that this wasn't what was really played. And that would freak me more out than not hearing the tour version at all. To me that simply wouldn't be what a LIVE album should be, namely live.
You'd think that consumers looking for this product would expect everything they hear to be a more than adequate recapturing of what took place that night, and its authenticity would arguably be erased had they deliberated to edit certain tracks too dramatically--which is what would have been the case had they decided to preserve Where The Beats. Those that are looking at the product for nostalgic reasons would probably equally object to hearing a track they enjoyed that night altered, as it could very well diminish the reminiscent feeling that may well have accompanied it following the enjoyment. Looking it from that angle, you can see why they perhaps removed it from the final tracklist.

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Monday, April 26th 2010, 3:58am

If you listen to the Amazon samples, you hear some bits that you can't hear on the DJshop samples ;)
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Monday, April 26th 2010, 9:35am

If you listen to the Amazon samples, you hear some bits that you can't hear on the DJshop samples ;)

I will check it out right away, every new bit is interesting, but the samples won't beat the ones from DJ shop, because the ones from DJ shop are 2 minutes and these like 30 seconds ;)

EDIT:
I hear far more crowd noises, also in Weekend + JAOTW + JTR + FTM + Fire + Nessaja etc, so I'm now more confident that we will have the crowd as always on the live CD :) Yeah !!!
Here's the link to the samples ;)
http://www.amazon.de/Scooter-Live-In-Ham…267149&sr=301-2
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Monday, April 26th 2010, 10:07am

Funny, the intro is the same only played backwards!

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