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Friday, October 2nd 2009, 11:34am

Good album but awful mastering

While the album is pretty good, the mastered files are distorted and clipped to death ! It's one of the loudest and least dynamic album I have ever had. the kicks lost all their impacts .
this screenshot is an analysis of state of mind . it sums it all IMO.

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Friday, October 2nd 2009, 12:22pm

I agree, it seems Rick left his mastering skills in the old studio.

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Friday, October 2nd 2009, 12:48pm

When I heard the album on my headphones, you recognise that the album isn't clear produced. Others had a better sounds (for example We bring the Noise or No Time to Chill).

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Friday, October 2nd 2009, 12:57pm

Listen to the second HP part in See Your Smile, there's a clearly hearable distortion.

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Friday, October 2nd 2009, 1:06pm

First of all..
You cant analyz an allready mastered track with an dynamic analyzer, didnt you know that?

Second - I hear no dist in my monitors or headphones.
The dist i hear is just typicall "jumstyle" dist..
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Friday, October 2nd 2009, 2:29pm

Of course you can ! i've listened to albums which had dynamic range greater than 30db ( 30 years old records between...). The problem I mainly tried to underline is that the album is overlimited and has squashed transients ; not to mention that some tracks in the album are clipped to death
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Friday, October 2nd 2009, 2:57pm

There's some clicking on See Your Smile, do you think it's a mistake or is it wanted? Can't really explain but you hear it during the HPV.

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Friday, October 2nd 2009, 3:01pm

I don't hear anything that is wrong, but I'm also not an expert on that field, but for me the album sounds normal as always, and there are lot's of big and litle sound effects this time in the tracks ;)
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Friday, October 2nd 2009, 3:26pm

I will listen carefully when I get my copy - but everything's possible.
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Friday, October 2nd 2009, 7:40pm

I don't hear something clicking. But there are several small effects in the tracks, maybe you're hearing one of those.

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Friday, October 2nd 2009, 11:17pm

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Of course you can ! i've listened to albums which had dynamic range greater than 30db ( 30 years old records between...). The problem I mainly tried to underline is that the album is overlimited and has squashed transients ; not to mention that some tracks in the album are clipped to death
No, you cant analyze an already mastered track with an dynamic analyzer.
It doesnt matter what the meters show, they wont give you the correct range anyway.
Do you even know what an dynamic analyzer does?

And no, it doesnt matter what you say.
The file you're analyzing is already mastered, ripped from a pressed CD, and is in no such good quallity for be analyzed.

Edit: http://andreastilly.com/peak.jpg
Se, I dont even get the same results as you are.
Why? Because you cant analyze the track.
And if you could, my highest peak reaches -0.5 which means = perfect mastering!
And since its a dynamic analyzer you should look at the range level instaed, and not the peak level (volyme meters)
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Sunday, October 4th 2009, 4:46pm

this is what audition tells me:



the peak doesn't get any higher than -0.5 ...

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Sunday, October 4th 2009, 6:04pm

Quoted from "Scooterworld"

I don't hear anything that is wrong, but I'm also not an expert on that field, but for me the album sounds normal as always, and there are lot's of big and litle sound effects this time in the tracks ;)


I agree Ed :)

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Sunday, October 4th 2009, 6:24pm

I dont have a clue of what your talking about, but i think thee is a wave of producing loude tracks at the moment.
I red in som other forum (Europe) that the producer´s of Europes new album said "the mastering is VERY "hot", probably too extreme for some people. but
everyone wants to be the "loudest" nowadays, especially in Heavy Metal
or Stoner rock genres... that's no big surprise ... and btw Tobias
Lindell mentioned already that the mastering could be "too much" for
Hifi freaks..."

Could it be the same issue here, we know Scooter the like it loud :) .
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Monday, October 5th 2009, 2:39am

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There's some clicking on See Your Smile, do you think it's a mistake or is it wanted? Can't really explain but you hear it during the HPV.


I don't hear it. But I hear clicking in "Clic Clac"... Oh somebody stop me! :P
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Monday, October 5th 2009, 1:18pm

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I don't hear it. But I hear clicking in "Clic Clac"... Oh somebody stop me! :P
Haha, you need to go to a hospital :D :P
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Monday, October 5th 2009, 10:10pm

I can't say I notice any difference with the mastering, except of course that clicking in "Clic Clac!" :D

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Tuesday, October 6th 2009, 12:46am

Up 1 on this one, mastering and producing is awful. Rick should be ashamed.. And the beat goes on has more depth than this album . But he intensness and happy vibe about over the top still makes it one of the better albums.

I was thinking about the stadium techno.. and when maria breaks through..its very rough on the speakers...but that f.ou.cking awesome BEAT is just... breathtaking. Dont hear any of that depth in over the top sadly.

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Tuesday, October 6th 2009, 6:29am

There is no way you would know that, but this is 2008/9's standard. It SHOULD be this way, as sad as it may sound. The problem is not in Rick or the studio. Music nowadays is distorted and clipped. It sounds louder at first hearing and thats the way distributing companies want it to be.

Metallica's Death Magic is another example of a good album destroyed by that new tendency.

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Tuesday, October 6th 2009, 2:07pm

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There is no way you would know that, but this is 2008/9's standard. It SHOULD be this way, as sad as it may sound. The problem is not in Rick or the studio. Music nowadays is distorted and clipped. It sounds louder at first hearing and thats the way distributing companies want it to be.

Metallica's Death Magic is another example of a good album destroyed by that new tendency.
Either way they have a choice, especially scooter own sheffield tunes and partly Kontor. So they dont have to bow down to some big music label. And yes there is a way some of us have listened to other albums during 2008/9. This is a choice made by scooter and rick seems to be on the lazy side, bigger stumach and more partying..
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