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The-Flying-Dutchman

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Tuesday, April 3rd 2012, 11:41pm

Scooters recent demise

Scooter's recent demise
Hello folks,

there is no doubt, Scooter is in a downfall since the end of JAOTW. Everybody should realise it, even the hardest Scooter fans out there. Many fans say the reason is the lack of promo and stuff but this is nothing than an untenable theorie.

I am afraid scooter will cease it's music business, sooner than someone might expect, due to the lack of success but I hope the won't. I miss the time of The Stadium Techno Experience, the time of BTTHWJ (perhaps there best album release ever). The last album I liked very much is TUAO but after this everything went down in my opinion. Never was fan of JAOTW nor UTROTT or their current album TBMU.

I am just a usual music listener with no experience in producing music but I think the only chance to get them back on charts for just one more time is to stop releasing albums and singles frequently. They should leave the business for a certain time in order to produce something unique, something like TSTE or BTTHWJ. I think a big matter of therr current loss of success is the time and money pressure in nowadays music business. No time for some deep tracks, no time for creating new ideas but this is just my opinion.

Best regards, Steffen (The-Flying-Dutchman)

@ Rick J. Jordan. Beste Grüße aus Nürnberg. Wäre gern bei the TBMU Tour dabei gewesen. Hatte meine letzte Möglichkeit 2010 bei dem großen Hamburg gig (UTROTT Tour) und bin immer noch begeistert von dem damaligen gig vor der ausverkauften Arena. Grüße nach Hamburg :thumbup:

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Tuesday, April 3rd 2012, 11:54pm

Whatever the success of recent releases no-one can deny they can attract a large audience for live shows, as we have seen this past couple of weeks during the tour.
Maybe their focus now is more on live performances than new stuff - they have quite a few more concerts coming up in the next few weeks, and with the internet and illegal downloading of music live shows must be financially better than single releases.
As long as they keep performing live and playing great tracks from the time 1994 - now, they will never die and will attract fans from all the stages of their musical career :)
It will be interesting though to see the direction for the next album. I have faith in the Scooter magic :)

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Tuesday, April 3rd 2012, 11:57pm

Quoted from "Sandra"

Maybe their focus now is more on live performances than new stuff



mhh, i remember h.p. stated once they earn almost no money with live gigs. should be a +/- 0$ business.

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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 12:03am

Ahh - I had not seen that, and I don't know the economics of the music industry, but I think to make money from music releases they will need to sell quite a few and chart success will be important if this is the main income.

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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 12:04am

+1, i agree sandra i really am interested to see what scooter will do next, with the later part of UTROTT failing, they decided to go with the current formula and go with trends, i feel this time scooter went in over their heads, everyone knows scooter for the rough and radical styles they have done, TBMU never had that, so i hope scooter see the mistake and go with something they know they can work with.

anyway every band has a low point in their career, even the biggest ones, so i see this as scooter's low point, i just hope scooter can come back to the top again,

but as sandra says, they can still sell tours out, so they are still very much on top, they just need to impact the charts again,
as we have seen from the recent tour, the new stuff from TBMU just wasnt what people wanted to here,
i can see in the future these tracks wont get played on tours
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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 12:08am

And Scooter have got their Posse - a worldwide and very varied lot of people who have loved them for many years and will continue to do so :)

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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 12:17am

as i sadi before the chart do matter, the higher they climb the more they sell, which makes money
i recall hp saying a while back that they dont use lots of pyro today because they cant afford it

the recent show kinda prove it, the stage for me wasnt as impressive as the 2010 tours, and the fact rick used his own visuals rather than have a company do it is also a bad sign

like i said, one bomb and it will all flip around
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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 12:38am

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like i said, one bomb and it will all flip around


yes, true. and for such a bomb they need more time than just 2 months

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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 12:41am

I too believe they can make a massive return, they just need to take a break and make a new faster, harder Scooter.
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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 12:44am

Got to have faith in Mr Rick J Jordon - the musical genius - he can make fantastic music in any style he trues :thumbup:

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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 12:45am

Sadly, the modern music biz seem to be all about fast productions and quick money.
Passion for music and talent to make it seem to mean little or nothing today.
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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 12:47am

we also all know scooter are more than capable of making hits in short times too, i hope scooter have done some stuff now, they said after CB they will be in the studio, until know they were really not around since CB, so they may have done some stuff, in between the tour preps
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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 12:55am

They could have the chance of their life if they manage to make something awesome to present around the time of German X-Factor.
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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 12:57am

so true, i think this might be what hp may have had in mind when he agreed to it, good publicity for scooter, a promo chance and of course he was picked for scooter's success
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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 1:01am

It would be great if the guys could land another album with the success of JAOTW.
3 top 10 singles from 1 album.
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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 1:03am

yeah or even like in the past with just 2 hit singles from a award selling album
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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 1:08am

2 or 3 would be enough, yes.
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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 1:10am

in fact 1 hit will bring back the noise
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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 2:54am

Quoted from "The-Flying-Dutchman"

Quoted from "Sandra"

Maybe their focus now is more on live performances than new stuff

mhh, i remember h.p. stated once they earn almost no money with live gigs. should be a +/- 0$ business.

What really? I can't believe this and I don't even remember any H.P. statement. The only thing I can remember is Rick stating that they don't have much of the DVD/Blu-Ray releases of the live shows (encore, excess, hamburg 2010, inferno) and that releasing DVDs is more or less +/- business.

HP said that their manager sometimes stoppes them to put too much pyros into their shows because that is expensive and there has to be some money left for Rick, Michael and the Reverend himself. If they don't make money with tours and gigs then why the hell are they still around? Everything that came after UTROTT bombed, TBMU underperformed and they bought a lot of new stuff for their studio in 2011. Noone can do that without earning money...

Quoted from "The-Flying-Dutchman"

They should leave the business for a certain time in order to produce something unique, something like TSTE or BTTHWJ.

Agreed, but they don't necessarily have to leave for a few years. That would just lower chances of coming out big again because Scooter is not a band where anyone would care if they made a comeback. To be honest I think an album like TSTE wouldn't take as long to produce as TBMU did (on which they worked for more than 1 year).

We'll see what they do after TBMU tour is finished. Maybe they take a few weeks off and we get some exciting news afterwards.

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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 6:56am

After my last concerts experiences during the current tour I can only laugh really loud about this topic. Sorry Steffen :P
I hate such phrases like: they should produce sth. unique like........ X( X( Das kotzt mich an!

Deine Argumentation ist eine Anreihung von bereits bekannten teils subjektiven Erkenntnissen.
Natürlich liegt auf der Hand, dass an den Erfolg auf der jumpstyle-Zeit schwierig erneut anzuknüpfen ist.

Fakt ist jedoch auch, dass die Marke Scooter bekannter und beliebter als je zuvor ist.
Die Sales zur aktuellen Tour laufen nahezu analog zur letzten, die extrem gut lief.
Trotzdem das aktuelle Album und dessen style meiner Meinung nach zu früh kam.

Fakt ist außerdem, dass Scooter eine wachsende Fanbase in GB, Osteuropa und anderen europäischen Ländern haben.
Leider drückt sich dies nicht mehr in single-Verkäufen aus. Und das Medium Radio können Scooter leider nicht ihr Eigen nennen.
Ich denke, dass du genauso wenig wie die Mehrheit von uns wirklich die Release-politik, wie auch die generelle Strategie von kontor (und des Management) beurteilen kannst. Ich erlaube mir darüber kein Urteil.

Ich habe so einen dicken Hals, wenn ich immer wieder höre: los produziert doch mal wieder "sowas wie früher", oder "sowas wie TSTE" - lebt ihr privat auch ständig in der Vergangenheit? Würde die Band eben immer und immer wieder das gleiche a la 90er oÄ produzieren, würde es niemals eine solche Kontinuität geben.
Dieses Gerede ist eine Mischung aus der deutschen Meckermentalität und vollkommener Undankbarkeit.
Scooter haben uns nach fast zwanzig so viel gegeben, Geschichte geschrieben und uns allen unvergessliche Augenblicke geschenkt.
Das sollten wir nicht vergessen. Außer Leute wie der Autor dieses topics kommen mal wieder aus der Versenkung und denken sie trifft ein Geistesblick voller ach so neuer Erkenntnisse und Tipps.

Kurz was anderes: Folgende Dinge stimmen mich derzeit besonders erfreut:
diese Tour hast du:
- mehr Pyro (obwohl man sparen wollte), deutlich mehr - ich war die letzten Jahre immer live dabei
- Rick spielt sogar wieder Piano parts
- alte tracks werden sogar "verändert" bzw. rmx gespielt
- mehr Laser, Konfetti
- die Band ist super drauf, vor allem Hp deutlich fitter als 2010
- hammergeile Stimmung bei den Konzerten, die siehst alte Gesichter von vor zehn Jahren mal wieder bei Scooter

Alles in allem, ich sehe keinen Grund zur Sorge oder zur Aufregung.
Letztlich sind Scooter auch ihre Fans, und wenn du dein Fansein so verkörpern willst, anstatt auf die tour zu gehen immernoch mental von der Vergangenheit zehrst, kann ich dir auch nicht helfen. Es verhält sich wie mit der Politik - meckern kann jeder ;)

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This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "ScooterPosseLeipzig" (Apr 4th 2012, 7:19am)

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