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The Big Mashup - SCOOTER or KONTOR production?

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 8:31pm

The Big Mashup - SCOOTER or KONTOR production?

When reading the booklet of TBMU I was surprised because of the fact that many other persons were involved in the production of "The Big Mashup". At first there are the studio singer "Vanessa Z" and the girl singingthe chorus of "It's A Biz", further we have that unknown rapper in "Copyright" and, of ourse, "Vicky Leandros" as guest singer in "C'est bleu". Beyond that Klaas sings the male chorus of "The only one".
As producers/mixers/engineerers we have Eric Chase, Chris Avantgarde and the guy who mixed the Megamix.
This number of studio/guest singers/rappers and people involved in the production is high in comparison to former albums which were almost completely produced by HP, Jens, Rick and Ferris/Axel/Jay/Michael and Rick's family members Mary K/Nikk as studio singers.

But what to think about this? Is the huge amount of persons involved in the album production a sign of professionality?
Or needed the guys the help of "housers" like Eric Chase or Chris Avantgarde to produce electro house? But I've always thought Michael was an electro house specialist.?
Or was it a KONTOR idea to re-boot Scooter as a new electro house brand and thus sending producers/supervisors for the production of the new album? The new release/promotion policy would also be a sign for a more careless planning from above. But Scooter should have a high degree of independence because Jens Thele is the boss of KONTOR and they have their own label, Sheffield Tunes.

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 9:18pm

I would not be surprised if Kontor had a hand in Scooter's music direction. All Kontor's producers & artists make Electro House now. Just because it is so HOT right now. Maybe it was that Scooter & Kontor wanted to make a so-called "try out" project. To see if it could be a hit. An attempt to get Scooter over to the shi.ty side. But as everyone knows, it failed totally. Today's Electro House does not fit Scooter. IF that was the case. I hope that Scooter does not get more pressure from Kontor. Let Scooter make their own choices to 100%

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 9:25pm

I don't mind extra singers, they only give a bit of their voice to a song. It's positive, saves us from too much high-pitch. But I don't know what to make of those other names -- they haven't needed them before, so why now? ?( More than having additional professionality it gives (me) the impression they're losing their skills and need help -- which I think (and hope) isn't true.

As said, it could have been pressure from the label, but then again, maybe not.
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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 10:18pm

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Maybe it was that Scooter & Kontor wanted to make a so-called "try out" project. To see if it could be a hit. An attempt to get Scooter over to the shi.ty side. But as everyone knows, it failed totally. Today's Electro House does not fit Scooter.

Starting with JAOTW, they adopted trends into their music and they were successfull with it. H.P. mentioned in some interviews smth. like "In electronic music you have to go with the new sounds, if you don't then you loose your success" (can't remember 1:1, but it was smth like this he said) so they tried that electro/house stuff and struggled with it. 2 years have passed since UTROTT and throwing away all of their work and start over again would take another year, so they added some additional songs and released TBMU. I don't think they were forced, I think they tried it because it worked with UTROTT/JAOTW and did the best they could and this is it... It's a very unique album actually and I kind of like that and chances are good they won't release another experimental album like this, because it failed miserably...

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it gives (me) the impression they're losing their skills and need help -- which I think (and hope) isn't true.

they're not loosing their skills, but try to learn from other artists and with the case of Chris, they teach smth. too. Like a win-win situation.

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Monday, January 9th 2012, 12:32am

@aganim:

Yes, it is true that Scooter followed trends when they released JAOTW and UTROTT. And I agree partly with you on the need to follow the evolvement in the music. But I think Scooter should think more about what fits into their style. Both JAOTW and UTROTT suited very well for Scooter. Songs with a fast pace and melodies. It's their trademark!

BUT most of the songs in TBMU lacked their trademark. The people could not reconize Scooter. And my theory is that they threw in songs such as SD, CYE, CB just because there would be little of the good old Scooter sound in the album. And here is another thing. Isn't strange that first SD is on Future Trance 58. And CYE is now on Dream Dance 62. The only two songs that are not Electro House or Dubstep. Coincidence or conscious. Who knows? And I think they will scrap the idea of releasing IAB as a single. And go forward.

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Monday, January 9th 2012, 9:59am

What's wrong with collaborating with other producers?

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Monday, January 9th 2012, 11:11am

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What's wrong with collaborating with other producers?

There's nothing wrong with that ;)
It's just untypical for Scooter if you regard the former albums where everything was sampled or self-made.
But the whole thing - style change towards the style nearly every KONTOR artist produces, other producers involved in the album's production, different release/promo policy - can make you think that someone "from above" wanted to push Scooter into a "modern" direction, but failed with it. This might also be an explanation for Scooter's carelessness in interviews etc. - maybe they know that the failure with the latest singles and the new album was only partly within their responsibility.
These are specualtios, of course, but somehow interesting speculations.

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Monday, January 9th 2012, 11:29pm

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But the whole thing - style change towards the style nearly every KONTOR artist produces, other producers involved in the album's production, different release/promo policy - can make you think that someone "from above" wanted to push Scooter into a "modern" direction, but failed with it. This might also be an explanation for Scooter's carelessness in interviews etc. - maybe they know that the failure with the latest singles and the new album was only partly within their responsibility.
These are specualtios, of course, but somehow interesting speculations.

It makes you think about the possibility.
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Tuesday, January 10th 2012, 12:01pm

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someone "from above" wanted to push Scooter into a "modern" direction, but failed with it. This might also be an explanation for Scooter's carelessness in interviews etc. - maybe they know that the failure with the latest singles and the new album was only partly within their responsibility.
These are specualtios, of course, but somehow interesting speculations.

You mean its like if Scooter are thinking: "So Kontor, you want that style, so we give it to you, but when it doesnt work we do not panic, and are free again for the next album to do what we want. So we give it a shot, but be aware it might fail and we will be proven right". Its like you say a speculation, but it could be a plausible one. Because Scooter really seem not that worried in interviews, nor do they do a big job in interviews to promote things. And they actually tell many fans dont like it at all. ;)
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Tuesday, January 10th 2012, 12:58pm

Okay, it's clear that the guys won't talk about bad chart results if no one asks them for it. If a interviewer talks about the huge amount of top10 hits they are probably glad to be able to talk about their big achievements.
But remember the Sheffield era: Although the chart results of "Sheffield" and "I'm your pusher" weren't as bad as the chart results of the latest singles and TBMU and although many fans liked this single and this album, the guys often complained about it. And HP has also often said that he regards every single that doesn't reach top10 a bit as a failure. But throughout TBMU-era there was no single moaning about bad chart results or the fact that the new style is disliked by many fans. Yes, they admitted that many fans don't like it, but they didn't show any emotions when admitting this - together with Stefan Raab they even joked about it. But HP's complaining about "I'm your pusher" seemed to be serious and in the booklet of "Push the beat for this jam- the singles '98-'02" the period between "she's the Sun" and the bombing idea for "Posse" was even described as a period of "winter depressions".

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Tuesday, January 10th 2012, 4:23pm

who knows what is really happening now, but i can agree to some point that TBMU doesnt sound 100% scooter, and your idea of kontor having the hand on this one seems about right, it seems this is more an album to feature scooter, rather than a scooter album
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Tuesday, January 10th 2012, 5:19pm

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who knows what is really happening now, but i can agree to some point that TBMU doesnt sound 100% scooter, and your idea of kontor having the hand on this one seems about right, it seems this is more an album to feature scooter, rather than a scooter album

It does seem like Kontor pushed Scooter into the direction of today's trends, and the guys don't care so much about the failure because they didn't decide the major style this time.
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