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Wednesday, December 21st 2011, 4:27pm

Mysterious announcements concerning Scooter going back to the roots

You'll all remember HP's+Rick's statements ("We've been experimenting with electro house for the production of the new album, but it isn't really our cup of tea. Now we will go back to the roots and we will definitely not follow any trend.") after "The only one" had flopped. So I expected TBMU to be mainly a back-to-the-roots-album with a few electro house tracks on it. But when TBMU was releases it was mainly a (electro) house/dubstep-album with only a few jump-/hardstyle- and (happy) trance/dance-tracks. So I thought that they had TBMU finished as a trend-album and added "C'est bleu", "Close your eyes" and "Summer Dream" to provide at least a few tracks that are more "classical". This would also have explained why there are 16 tracks on the new album - the original TBMU should contain 12 tracks plus "Friends Turbo" as a bonsutrack and after the album had been delayed they started to produce those 3 "classical" tracks to satisfy their fans at least a bit.
But after the release of "The Big Mash Up" there were statements that didn't fit to that theory: According to HP "C'est bleu" was produced as one of the first track and there is a video with Rick finishing "Beyond the invisible" as the last of the album tracks and "BTI" isn't a "classical" track at all. Further Rick said that he was into the new dubstep stuff at the end of the album's production which wouldn't fit to his former statement that they would not follow trends and go back to the roots. Were those back-to-the-roots-announcements in late spring/early summer only a joke or did they delay those plans for the next album?
Don't get me wrong: I like "The Big Mash Up" even if house isn't my cup of tea either - but nevertheless those different statements seem a bitz strange to me.

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Wednesday, December 21st 2011, 4:57pm

I think the were talking about adding some more 'normous' Scooter tracks for TBMU (you've said about it in your post), but I HOPE that they will release a fully oldstyle Scooter album in 2012. Although I like TBMU actually, I hope that the guys will return to the pure Scooter sound 1999-2004.
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Wednesday, December 21st 2011, 5:03pm

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According to HP "C'est bleu" was produced as one of the first track
Really? I thought Rick and Michael said in an interview, that Dreams was the first track finished?

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Were those back-to-the-roots-announcements in late spring/early summer only a joke or did they delay those plans for the next album?
A real announcement wasn't even there actually. Don't get me wrong, I remember H.P. saying smth. like "We tried electro/house, but that wasn't really our cup of coffee, so we'll go more back to the roots" but I wouldn't interpret this as a real announcement to make songs like Back In The U.K. again. I think the songs you already mentioned Close your Eyes/Summer Dreams/C'est Bleu? is what H.P. was talking about... I guess a lot fans expected more than that.

I don't think their statements had anything to do with the next album (after TBMU) either, because we know they're first making step 1, after that is done, they go to step 2 and so on... This doesn't mean the next album can't be a completely massive back-to-the-roots-bomb. I don't think they've decided anything for the next album up until now, because they want to know for sure if C'est Bleu is going to be successfull or not. The later is the case (it's the worst charting single since DDE O_o) and I hope they'll make the right decisions to come back loud and massive again. All tracks of TBMU together don't have half the energy Hello! (Good To Be Back) or Posse (I Need You On The Floor) or every track on UTROTT has. That's what in my opinion they have to change: Be LOUD and fastforward again and not softstyle like C'est Bleu (even though I give them credit to take the risk).

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Wednesday, December 21st 2011, 7:03pm

All those words definitely were about TBMU and not of further plans, but many (me included) got a bit carried away with them. Perhaps it's indeed that they just meant jumpstyle with back to the roots... (Which is pretty senseless thing to say...) Or maybe they meant the kind of 90s vibe some songs have because of what they're sampling. Or then they really changed direction, but reversed it again, not wanting to let go of all the work they had already done and because the deadline was approaching.
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Wednesday, December 21st 2011, 7:09pm

maybe they meant the kind of 90s vibe some songs have because of what they're sampling.

Possibly.
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Wednesday, December 21st 2011, 7:33pm

Were those back-to-the-roots-announcements in late spring/early summer only a joke or did they delay those plans for the next album?

I doubt Rick would joke such a bad way. After the TOO release, the band had been about to come back to Scooter-like style, but then they probably changed their mind and decided to finish their TBMU. Two hardstyle tracks are not actually "back-to-roots" because Rick stated that the new album would contain a few songs for fans prior to TOO release.
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Wednesday, December 21st 2011, 8:24pm

Hey, that's right, I forgot -- they indeed mentioned that there'll be a couple of tracks in hardstyle and jumpstyle. I think it's indeed more and more feasible that they did not start it again, but instead continued and made a couple of tracks more. We can only hope that they really were planning to go back to the roots at some point -- and will do that with the next album.
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Wednesday, December 21st 2011, 9:27pm

I think they changed their plans for the album after TOO didn't chart very well

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Wednesday, December 21st 2011, 11:06pm

The major change were decided after Chris' dj-set on the Inferno, I think. They saw that his style didn't take off, and probably decided that said style wasn't what the fans wanted.
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Wednesday, December 21st 2011, 11:21pm

I enjoyed Chris at the Inferno

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Wednesday, December 21st 2011, 11:44pm

The majority of the fans want faster, harder tracks, and electro/house isn't faster or harder.
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Thursday, December 22nd 2011, 2:04pm

I enjoyed Chris at the Inferno
You were one of the few then. I liked him too but I could see most of the standing crowd from where I was, and it was stiller than in a funeral. It's just not working with Scooter fans, that style. If Scooter changes too much most fans won't like the music because it's not what they're into them for in the first place: loud high-energy tunes.
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Thursday, December 22nd 2011, 6:40pm

Unfortunately, electro/house isn't the way to go to move the crowd. Most of the electro tracks I've heard, are slow, boring and have very little energy.
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Thursday, December 22nd 2011, 9:20pm

Apsolutely agree with Traxx. About the "back to the roots" statement, I think that guys are planning to return to their roots in some long-term plan, but they gave a shot to electro-house and they...missed :S . They had some ideas, put them in a new album and hoped we'll like it. Some of us like them, some of us don't, but that's how it goes with most of new releases. Like Traxx and most of you said - some fast, rebelious, melodic, and happy (not cheesy) tracks are wanted. This electro-house style and most of "slow" styles are not Scooter's cup of tea. :whistling:

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Friday, December 23rd 2011, 4:10am

I don't think Scooter will ever return back to their roots. That is to say from 1994 - 1999. It just wouldn't work. Sounds they used then were new and ahead of their time. Now they are not. Although, I think they could make tracks like those from 2000 - 2003 again if they tried hard enough... but they won't.
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Friday, December 23rd 2011, 4:48pm

I think "back to the roots" doesn't mean "happy hardcore". It means songs with the typical Scooter traditions (fast beats, hard/"deep"/"full" bass, energetic synths, earworm refrains, uplifting and sometimes funny/self-ironic shouts, good and round productions where one part fits to the other perfectly). If a song is dance, happy hardcore, jumpstyle, hardstyle, (happy) trance, hard trance or something different or a mixture of different styles doesn't really matter - as long as everything fits together. An anthemic chorus that works best with trance sounds shouldn't be put into "hardstyle clothes", but a happy hpv-chorus within a jumpstyle/hardstyle or happy hardcore track can work in a great way.
I think the achieve to produce most of the tracks on an album within a certain style that is trendy or might become trendy isn't the best way for Scooter. They should give each song what it needs to be as good as possible and not to fit into a scheme that is more or less trendy at the moment.

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Friday, December 23rd 2011, 8:23pm

The guys are tallking rubish as always. They always talk about going back to their roots but they never did xD

The major change were decided after Chris' dj-set on the Inferno, I think. They saw that his style didn't take off, and probably decided that said style wasn't what the fans wanted.

it's normal that a support act doesn't make the crowd move that much. People visit the gig for the main act you know.
I remember at the Köln gig in 2010 some people in front of me even putted a middlefinger to the support act (forgot their name). I also didn't enjoy the support act.
Also during Pendulum's gig in Tilburg (NL) which I went to in october 2010 lots of people just sat on the floor during South Central, their support act, who really did a great job imo.

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Friday, December 23rd 2011, 8:27pm

it's normal that a support act doesn't make the crowd move that much. People visit the gig for the main act you know.

I know. But I recall the change of direction was made after/around TSTI, and the guys could have thought electro/house would fail because Chris got poor reactions from the crowd, even if it would be wrong.
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Sunday, December 25th 2011, 12:00am

whatever scooter deside to do it will be good, but i think we will see a change in direction from slow to fast, and i have a feeling scooter will wanna work with dubstyle again, it seems scooter like it a lot
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Sunday, December 25th 2011, 1:22am

Yeah, I think that too. Slow didn't work, so they will probably go for faster again.
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