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Jealousy is definitely the word. Scooter are today known across the world, although by just a few people in the US, but Marusha and the other dj's who had already been around for some years when Scooter came, are still unknown.

Quoted from "Mr Hyper"

If they really want to produce some electro house

we still dont know if scooter are producing house yet, rick did say infuencedby progressive and elecro, remeber profressive can be any style like trance drum and bass

and i would too say scooter are well known and others get kinda jeulus, they likely think ''how do scooter get away with all the sampling andstill get all the success''
and i would awnser with, that is because scooter do it the best and created some fof the best dance tracks in history

scooter are now known as techno legends

Quoted from "Mr Hyper"

No, this kind of hate is older and was even there at times when Scooter made more self-written tracks or took material almost only from songs from the 70s and the 80s. In Germany Scooter have been avoided by many DJs already since Hyper hyper. Fresh and self-written tracks like "Move your ass", "Fire" and "Friends" didn't change this, they made the haters even more angry because Scooter had the long-lasting success with them which nobody had expected before.
I can understand that producers like Technoboy are mad at Scooter these days, but I can't understand why producers like Marusha (who also made commercial happy hardcore in the 90s and who also covered melodies from other artists --> "Somewhere over the rainbow"), Tom Novy or Kalkbrenner have been mad at them since the beginning because Scooter never ripped from them and didn't harm them in any way.

They were ripping off current tracks and genres from the start...Hyper Hyper was a rip-off of Ultra-Sonic - Annhilating Rhythm, which was the most popular bouncy techno track over there (and the genre had just landed too), and Move Your Ass rips off Dyewitness - The Future (another track from the same genre).

Quoted from "Steve C"

They were ripping off current tracks and genres from the start...Hyper Hyper was a rip-off of Ultra-Sonic - Annhilating Rhythm, which was the most popular bouncy techno track over there (and the genre had just landed too), and Move Your Ass rips off Dyewitness - The Future (another track from the same genre).

Glad that someone around here knows where Scooter's inspiration comes from. I like Ultra-Sonic and Dyewitness nearly as much as I like Scooter.

Quoted from "Alucard"

Well Scooter are stealing from their producer collegues so of course nobody likes them.

Not quite right. Yes, they take a lot of "inspiration" from other artists, but the electro/house scene is way more pathetic. FYI, there are exclusive sample CDs specialized on electro/house, which have complete basslines, melodies, drumloops, buildups etc. pre-written for artists. They just have to LEGO their track together, et voilá, instant hit single. That's much more disgusting than what Scooter did taking stuff from others.

OMG I have completely forgot how good this tracks are... Real Old school stuff!!!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3m-19tUnCI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI8kdDVP5YQ&ob=av2n

2007 jumpstyle
2009 shuffle hardstyle
2011 i think 'll be electro dance generation...if scooter planning to produce electro&house music

why scooter since 2007 produce thier album about some sh*t dances

That sample CD lego work from the sample CD is for sure far easier than what Scooter do. Scooter actually search in all tracks for nice parts, and as mentioned, most other "artists" just search the sample CD. Ofcourse Scooter also uses samples of sample CD's as was mentionned on the forum, but they look further than that CD, so atleast it's more creative than just sampling from a sampling CD ...

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No, this kind of hate is older and was even there at times when Scooter made more self-written tracks or took material almost only from songs from the 70s and the 80s. In Germany Scooter have been avoided by many DJs already since Hyper hyper. Fresh and self-written tracks like "Move your ass", "Fire" and "Friends" didn't change this, they made the haters even more angry because Scooter had the long-lasting success with them which nobody had expected before.
I can understand that producers like Technoboy are mad at Scooter these days, but I can't understand why producers like Marusha (who also made commercial happy hardcore in the 90s and who also covered melodies from other artists --> "Somewhere over the rainbow"), Tom Novy or Kalkbrenner have been mad at them since the beginning because Scooter never ripped from them and didn't harm them in any way.

They were ripping off current tracks and genres from the start...Hyper Hyper was a rip-off of Ultra-Sonic - Annhilating Rhythm, which was the most popular bouncy techno track over there (and the genre had just landed too), and Move Your Ass rips off Dyewitness - The Future (another track from the same genre).

I don't really consider Ultrasonic (or the KLF) as being ripped off in a cruel way by Scooter. I think those artists are more some kind of fathers of the genre and some source of inspiration for bands/producers that follow their way. Ultrasonic is for Scooter what Oomph is for Rammstein or what Rage against the machine is for bands like Limp Bizkit. Of course Scooter took elements from US-songs and quoted them, but they have always admitted to be inspired by Ultrasonic or the KLF (they even greet the KLF in songs like Ramp --> "the K, the L, the F...").
And Brooklyn Bounce made a track ("We are live") in the same style and greeted Ultrasonic ("shout up to Ultrasonic - the godfathers of this music") and Scooter ("HP's gonna love this sh*t"). So I think it's no hate and no jealousy, but a friendly relationship between the "godfathers" and their followers (US made a remix of MYA, didn't they?). And Scooter more and more developped their own sound - "Friends" is already very different from tracks like "Hyper hyper" or "Annihilating Rhythm".
A different case is the technoboy "affair": Scooter took melodies nearly 1:1 from hardstyle artists without mentioning them just for making one single hardstyle album and then going on with a new style and a new album. So they exploited the hardstyle scene a bit and that's why I can understand Technoboys problems with Scooter.
But: Scooter never ripped from Marusha, Kalbrenner or Tom Novy, but those producers have been hating them since the beginning until today. Kalbrenner even called HP a "blondierte Trümmertunte" (I don't know if he really said this like that) and Tom Novy said in a musicshow "this guy should really be crucified". But why that kind of pure hate?

But I don't think, that Tom Novy hates Scooter yet. He made a Remix for Lass uns tanzen. Nobody woult do a Remix for a band he hates.

2007 jumpstyle
2009 shuffle hardstyle
2011 i think 'll be electro dance generation

... 2012-2013 i think deutsche Schlager generation

im guessing it will be a nice album and a welcome change in music, 3 years of jump/hardstyle i cant wait to hear it.
but in ways i wish scooter would just do an album based on the style they have formed, but saying that scooter put their style in just about any style they can, and have proven so many times that it pays of well

i imagine a lass uns tanzen style track, with the feel of TSAMH electro in it,
i feel it is gonna be good and i cant wait to hear a new style

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But: Scooter never ripped from Marusha, Kalbrenner or Tom Novy, but those producers have been hating them since the beginning until today.

But they did rip off Marusha...although not until 2000 (Down to the Bone).

I totally forgot all about "We Are Live". That is an awesome song.

If Scooter will produce progressive I hope it will be a bit like Brooklyn Bounce but with more melodies and a bit more speed. Progressive is the only kind of house that would fit to Scooter. And after so many tuned-bassdrum-based tracks some songs with a massive, vibrating and dark bass could do well.

Regarding the Scooter-hater-discussion:
I doubt that Marusha knows that Scooter have ripped from her in "Down to the bone", I doubt she even knows that track
So she has still no reason to hate Scooter.
Tom Novy made a remix for them, yes. But I count this as a proof that his former hate had no deeper foundation. He talked bad about Scooter to stand on one side with the German DJ-scene, but personally he had no reason to talk bad about them. So this hate could be washed away easily (maybe he has met a bandmember, talked to him and thought:"Hey, these guys aren't bad at all")

Quoted from "Mr Hyper"

Tom Novy made a remix for them, yes. But I count this as a proof that his former hate had no deeper foundation. He talked bad about Scooter to stand on one side with the German DJ-scene, but personally he had no reason to talk bad about them. So this hate could be washed away easily (maybe he has met a bandmember, talked to him and thought:"Hey, these guys aren't bad at all")

Exactly, maybe he just hated Scooter because in the DJ scene he worked in it was normal to hate them.....that for sure was it, just as bullies at school, when you see them on the street alone they are normal guys often, but with the others they are like they have to be in the eyes of the others. The same could go for the DJ-scene.

Sadly, that's likely -- that's how it is with most human actions...

the only thing i can say about the new album is:
1-it seems scooter are gonna take a trend follower aproach again, i can imagine some david guetta style music, and to me it can go 2 ways, good or bad

lets lookt at the last 2 album, both were trend followers, only now this electro appoach is a big scene to move into, so it could go well, but we will see
1-JAOTW ere-first came TQIWITQ, a gamble to see how the jump effect will go, and in all fairness, it pulled of well, it was an international hit and so far the 4th chapters biggest hit, then came ANM, unfortanatly it didnt go as well as TQIWITQ, but stll managed to get a top 10 in germany, the single was short lived, als to folloew was JAOTW album, it is the most succesfull album scooter have released, 49 weeks in the german chart, over 20 in the uk, 2 platinum awards one which was in the uk and a gold in home town germany, a very successful album, also it re release managed to get the album into the top ten in germany, showing it was still a populaer album in germany still upto a year, then came the hit JAOTW, it may have not been a top 10 hit worldwide, but it was a chart stomper worldwide, and equaly as good as TQIWITQ, then came IL, a good track and by far the best singlefrom the album, again it wasnt worldwide but still managed to get into the top 10 twice, and even number 1 on uk mtv, but not as successful as TQIWITQ and JAOTW, finally came with the re release, of JAOTW is JTR (WYW), a reasonable hit and charted in many countries, and just outside top 10 in germany, and could have been a top 10 in the uk if it wernt pulled back for a later release. so in my opiniun this was a good move and pulled of really well.

2-UTROTT ere-this was the highly acclaimed follow up to JAOTW and was rightly so, and similar album in jumpstyles haerder form, first of all came JAH, despite critisism, it did pretty well in europe and proved to be a reasonable hit, then came TS and it did well anough to climb to the top ten, if it wernt for the relese being the same as the album, i feel and many others that it could have climbed higher than 10, but despite all this, it was onlt a small europe hit, on the same day, UTROTT was released, and even beat scooters personal best by getting 2 in germany, beating the legendary album NTTC, PTBFTJ, BTTHWJ and TSTE, but the album fell quik and was short lived, onlt making 12 weeks in germany, making it an average album for scooter, then this is where it all went wrong, the next 2 singles (TSAMH and SOR), both charted really bad, only top 40, but despite bad starts they did both do reasonaby well in the charts expesally SOR doing 12 weeks in germany, and being a anthem for a major tournament.butstill both only charted in 2 counties. for me this album was bad and only just managed to pull it off

so the next album, im guessinig will be trend based, and depending on hoew scooter produce, promote and release, will depend on if it pulls of or not

Some people will only make remixes for recognition. I know for a fact that Mallorca Lee of Ultra-Sonic does not like Scooter. As they "copied our style". But Ultra-Sonic made a remix of "Move Your Ass" and Scooter remixed "Check Your Head" for them.