Clubland 4 has been cancelled :(

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Thursday, October 7th 2010, 11:53am

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I really don't get it with Scooter, why don't they have regular updates with fans. Whenever there's an update on Twitter or Facebook it seems like just a person from the office writing it, it never feels personal. Big artists like Britney, GaGa etc. manage to have small personal messages every now and again on their sites. Why can't Scooter?

Yeah, this is something I've been thinking at times, and don't get. I think most of the Twitter and Facebook updates are written by someone else who doesn't always have much to do with the band (or even right details at times) -- and they don't hide that fact, they know that we know it. Lady Gaga's Twitter is all of her own, she writes a lot and its all her own posts. I see it as Scooter having a different view on things and business. (Gaga obviously is a sort of marketing genius and businesswoman, too.) They probably consider themselves sort of workers who simply produce something, and that's it -- like in a factory: others do most of the communication, others do marketing, and they do the music product. Like factory workers, they then go home and it's not part of their life there. No need or reason to be that personal with fans -- we don't know anything about the workers who made whatever objects we have, either. They have a sort of faceless exterior like a government or something. But indeed, time are changing, and these old ways don't work that well anymore. They should do some serious planning, because I think now this old-fashioned way isn't bearing fruit, it's probably, albeit slowly, causing negative things, and it probably only grows, that negative whatever-it-is. The truth is, I don't think they're too concerned with their appearance and such things -- that's why the publicity team doesn't work well, they have organizers which have problems, singles are timed badly, news are late.....

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Thursday, October 7th 2010, 7:33pm

Has anyone had an email from Ticketmaster yet to confirm the cancellation and (I assume) how to get the full refund?

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Thursday, October 7th 2010, 7:34pm

I have had an email regarding the ticket I bought for Glasgow, so far nothing about Newcastle and birmingham

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Thursday, October 7th 2010, 8:21pm

Nothing sent to me from Birmingham either ... last night Ticketmaster were still selling tickets but I'm pleased to see they aren't any longer.

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Thursday, October 7th 2010, 8:36pm

also now had an email from ticketmaster this evening saying they have issued a refund for Newcastle

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Thursday, October 7th 2010, 9:14pm

i booked tickets to the newcastle one and had an email saying someone along the line of
'due to unforeseen circumstance the entire clubland live 4 tour has been cancelled, it will not be rescheduled - refunds are available please send tickets too...

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Thursday, October 7th 2010, 9:20pm

My email said:

Dear Ticketmaster customer,
We regret to inform you that the Clubland Live 4 event at the Metro Radio Arena, Newcastle, on 29 October 2010 has been cancelled.

A refund has been issued to the card used at the time of booking. Please allow up to 15 days for the amount to appear in your account

If you require any further assistance, please contact us by clicking on: http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/h/help.html
Please accept our sincere apologies for any inconvenience caused.

EDIT - but i don't have the Newcastle ticket yet, the only tickets I actually have are Birmingham, and not heard anything about them yet

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Thursday, October 7th 2010, 10:39pm

Clubland 4 Live cancelled!

I'm gutted. Just found out its cancelled and was due to go to Manchester gig. Went in 2008 to first one and was amazing. Might have to get onto the plane and go to the Hamburg gig in June instead!!

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Thursday, October 7th 2010, 11:20pm

Welcome to the forum

I agree it is bad news for UK fans, but it's a good idea to go to Hamburg next year - it will be awesome, and a Scooter concert is much better than the short appearance at Clubland

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Friday, October 8th 2010, 12:18am

i ordered mine from gigs and tours, and i was dealt with by seetickets, my amail said that the birmigham one was cancelled and a refund will be credited bask to my card at face value, and i seen today on clubland facebook that the refunds have started today so we should all get them soon

i think i may have a few plausible awnsers for this cancellation
1-maybe AATW are having a few finansual problems
2-the line up wasnt great leading to loss of sales, many fans wanted darren styles
3-the dance nation tour ended up with many acts dropping out
4-clublnad live 3 wasnt that successful
5-plymouth was cancelled on clubland live 2
6-many artists at the event was due for a new album or working on one and have tours upcoming, maybe some pulled out
7-to me this was cancelled due to the orginizers not any bands expecally scooter
8-AATW did say that they struggles to book the venues they had, a lot of fans were complaining about the lack of southern venues, this may have been an early sign of trouble then
9-and i think the tickets were cheaper this time around too, seems to me AATW were struggling from the start, and maybe due to lack of sales and a poor setlist they could not afford to pay the orginizers for the venues and finally puuled the pug
10-finally, althought eh AATW albums were number 1 most of the time this year, the sales wernt so big becouae of the rnb and top 40 remixes wernt what fans wanted

if clublnad do another they will have to win back the fans, many will not wanna pay out for a ticket, and have a more top rate actual club list rather than an rnb one

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Friday, October 8th 2010, 4:20am

this sucks guys,sorry to hear this

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Friday, October 8th 2010, 7:58am

Kelvo - I agree with your comments up until the last 2 years Clubland was a very successful venture for AATW, remember how good the first 3 or 4 albums were? they introduced alot of British people to European dance music they had probably never heard or knew existed before. Slowly over time the album has turned more into a pop remix and RnB album, I mean the last 2 clubland albums were really awful compared to how they started out.

I think AATW have lost their way slightly, to recover they need to align themselves back with the model they started with which brought them the most success and built up a big fanbase where their clubland albums were big sellers and they would also be able to sell out big venues throughout the UK no problem. Money could be a problem? the website which used to be updated on a regular basis has just been left with hardly any news added to it, the forum which attached itself to AATW has slowly died and is full of spam now - it just doesn't look good at the moment for them

I'm gutted Clubland has been cancelled this year, but I've not seen any promotional adverts, newspaper articles etc from AATW at all this year to promote it.

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Friday, October 8th 2010, 5:22pm

Quoted from "kelvo"

1-maybe AATW are having a few finansual problems- This is a no, i know that for sure as more AATW compilations have better chart success this year. They've had so many top 10's this year, last year too, can't be this.
2-the line up wasnt great leading to loss of sales, many fans wanted darren stylesi doubt it, to most this is a good line up. Scooter, Aggro Santos, Roll Deep have been high in my personal rankings for some time. Their chart success has also been very good.
3-the dance nation tour ended up with many acts dropping out not too sure if this is relevant as DN has nothing to do with AATW
4-clublnad live 3 wasnt that successful true, 3 wasn't as successful in terms of how many people went but CL2 was a pretty big thing.
5-plymouth was cancelled on clubland live 2 in my eyes, irrelevant as that was to do with logistics(pyros etc.).
6-many artists at the event was due for a new album or working on one and have tours upcoming, maybe some pulled out
7-to me this was cancelled due to the orginizers not any bands expecally scooter i'm linking 6 and 7 together as i don't think it was the organisers, i think it was scooter and i think it was to do with studio work, but i'd like to be proven wrong.
8-AATW did say that they struggles to book the venues they had, a lot of fans were complaining about the lack of southern venues, this may have been an early sign of trouble then Everyone knows that commercial dance sells more in the North. The problem with AATW is that they're scared to venture into unknown territory.
9-and i think the tickets were cheaper this time around too, seems to me AATW were struggling from the start, and maybe due to lack of sales and a poor setlist they could not afford to pay the orginizers for the venues and finally puuled the pug They were a little more expensive this time round, which would make more sense because of inflation.
10-finally, althought eh AATW albums were number 1 most of the time this year, the sales wernt so big becouae of the rnb and top 40 remixes wernt what fans wanted

totally disagree, i'd like to know where you got the info on where the sales are from because in the charts the albums have been relatively good. Staying in or near their original positions for quite some time.

As much as I respect your opinions I can see some flaws in your argument. I just think Scooter dropped a bomb on Clubland, but we'll never actually know.

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Friday, October 8th 2010, 5:41pm

Scooter were not responsible for the cancellation !!'

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Friday, October 8th 2010, 5:47pm

Enlighten us.

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Friday, October 8th 2010, 7:02pm

I think Clubland isn't cancelled due to Scooter.

IMHO if it really was cancelled only because of Scooter-than Scooter would have had to pay a huge fine which probably wasn't wortwhile to them, so I doubt Scooter would like to lose assumingly big amounts of money for cancellation of CLubland only because of them.

I believe it's something other than Scooter's fault.

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Saturday, October 9th 2010, 12:17am

unknown, i was mainly assuming the facts, i have no real evidence but the 4th certalny had a bad promo and line up, no dance fance wanna see rnb dance wanna be, just like the 3rd one, no body wanted to go because n dubs were there

there were less dates this time around and for the first time only one main act
clubland live 1-cascada and scooter
clubland live 2-scooter-well only scooter but many of the best dance acts here in the uk were there
clubland live 3-cascada and n dubs
clubland live 4 only scooter, only this time the set list was not what fans wanted, a setlist like clubland live 2 would have been more clublnad

so if scooter did pull out due to there new albums work, there really was no one really suitible to take the place at such sort notice,
and i feel that AATW wanted to promote the newbe acts, like aggro, tincy and roll deep, although there hits have done well, they have little material to play with, they would have had 25-30 mins at the most each

i do beleive it was not gonna be as succesful as the last 3, infact the 3rd one was a let down to most,
and i too cant see scooter pulling out, they were looking forward to it from the start, and they were fully aware that they were working on a new album, but one would assume that scooter did, the recent cancellations kinda put scooter in the frame,

now i know how all the austrian posse felt for being cancelled,

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Saturday, October 9th 2010, 3:00am

Daniel's post is interesting. If AATW really are losing their way as a business and the integrity of Clubland is deteriorating, it wouldn't surprise me to hear that Scooter's management noticed this dilapidated state of affairs and opted to pull out of the event. They also could have conceivably decided to postpone any future involvement with the company until AATW sort Clubland's business out. And I suppose tickets sales are a direct reflection on the apparent lack of promotion that the event received. I assume they were less than satisfactory.

Perhaps, as Daniel suggested, it's a growing financial issue that is preventing them from rekindling the former glory of these events. I only speak with a limited amount of knowledge when it comes to AATW, but all of the above sounds conceivable. Why some people are getting hostly combative over something to which they themselves lack the knowledge to counteract some of the credible explanations people are formulating is utterly ridiculous. Especially when conceding that none of us have the facts that definitively say one way or the other. For now we're left with conjecture and we're collectively evaluating their level of plausibility. To outright deny the possibility that Scooter were responsible is juvenile. Your fanaticism is embarrassing and needs to be vanquished.

I still think Scooter opted to cancel their role in these Clubland dates to preserve a flow of inspiration in the studio that they didn't want to risk compromising by preparing and participating in a line of gigs. Ideas of this nature don't work on a schedule. When they pop up spontaneously, it'd be foolish to risk to losing it over something that can be postponed and pursued later. I suppose it depends on where your priorities lie as a band. If this turns out to be true, they obviously care deeply about the material they're releasing; wanting it to sound as stupendous as possible. To find such a deliberation unacceptable is the equivalent of taking an indifferent attitude toward the forthcoming album. If Scooter want to capitalize on an idea that they've stumbled upon, with this consequently meaning that some things have to be sacrificed in the process, I think it's their prerogative to do so. If anything, such an act would show commitment and passion in their work. Not saying that this is the case, it's just what I feel is one of the many credible possibilities.

Owl City has the done the exact same thing. Do I hold it against him? No. Why? An extra bit of time in the studio could mean lots and lots for the forthcoming record. The cancellation of the dates he was originally supposed to play on could have yielded something truly monumental in the production phase. I honestly don't see why anyone would object to this... It is entirely defensible for any band to cancel tours and concerts for the purpose of focusing on new material. And whatever the case, one cannot rule out that Scooter were responsible for this event backfiring; or at the very least culpable in some minor way. Keep in mind they were headlining too! If they pulled out, the promise of their involvement cannot be fulfilled and the event is disastrously ruined. How do you recover from that? Particularly at such a late stage. Or maybe both are as equally guilty as the other... Let's be a little open-minded.

Has anything official been about it been revealed yet?