How you think about Iran (Persia)?

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Monday, April 19th 2010, 11:32pm

I must say before anything else

i'm scooter fun from iran (Persia) and i really love Scooter and scooter fans are very much in iran and almost all young people know Scooter

but i want to know how you think about iran (Persia) Country?
how you think about iran's people?
how you think about iran's government?
Heard nothing from Green Movement of Iran?
how you think about Green Movement of Iran?
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Monday, April 19th 2010, 11:47pm

I admit, it's my shame because i don't know much things about Iran. Well, we all know the capital, Teheran and ofcourse that they are muslims. But i know one a place that must be visited: Persepolis

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Monday, April 19th 2010, 11:49pm

I'm worried about islam. I have anything against islam per se, but I have a lot against violence, discrimination and fundamentalism which we do suffer here in Europe by our muslims and I cannot tolerate the way muslim men treat their women. Now I don't have much information about Iran, but I take it you are an islamic nation so I can't comment much about your country, except that I once prepared some delicious cabbage food together with an Iranian so my experience with him was very positive. I wish you all the best and I'm sorry if I happened to offend you, that's not my intention.

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Tuesday, April 20th 2010, 12:21am

Yes, Iran is an Islamic state but the Islamic there is no one true Islam
Unfortunately, Islam introduced the world's poor. One of the causes of the dictatorial governments
Iran is an Islamic Republic. But neither Islamic nor Republic
Iran have president but the country's main strength is its leader
Seyed Ali Khamenei. real Muslims religious and the Iranian people hate him. Because all the power and Iran's oil wealth is for Him. And their opponents in prison, and takes
I want to say these crimes has nothing to do with Islam and Islam denies crimes

however i want more posts to understand how you think about iran

...iran's people?...Green Movement of Iran?

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Tuesday, April 20th 2010, 1:39am

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but i want to know how you think about iran (Persia) Country?

Don't know enough about the countries customs to make any worthwhile judgement. The only obvious thing I know about them is their religious fundamentalism, which dramatically contrasts our overly secular society in the UK today. They sorta stand out like a sore thumb in most of the Western world-- excluding the United States, who pride themselves on their commitment to God.

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how you think about iran's people?

I've only met one Iranian national in all my life, and he was an arrogant and overly nasty person. I'm not going to base that little creep on the entire population of Iran though...

So I can't really extrapolate to make a decent comment. I'm sure there are good and bad people just like there are here in the West.

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how you think about iran's government?

This question is a little controversial as it leads to some pretty provocative questions about certain historical events. I know the president of Iran has been subjected to a lot of criticism from the more prominent governments in the West due to his comments on the Holocaust and the Jewish state of Israel. His repulsion of Zionism has gained him both a considerable number of enemies and a lot of allies in certain circles across the globe. Let's face it, Jews aren't the most popular group of people in the world.

To be honest, I'm not really all that interested in getting involved in this sort of debate any longer. There's so much stigma around it that it becomes impossible to retain any shred of credibility if you look at it from a different standpoint. Not getting into too much detail, I strongly believe every historical event should be open to exploration and questioning without fear of repercussion. In other words, your president is entitled to his opinion. I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon and collectively despise him, as I just don't feel that way.

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how you think about iran's government?

According to Wikipedia, this is a movement dedicated to abolishing your current presidents regime. Can't say I care, but refer to the above to get a feel for how I feel about your president.

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Tuesday, April 20th 2010, 2:12am

The only thing I know about Persia is that that's where the Prince Of Persia is apparently from.

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Tuesday, April 20th 2010, 12:06pm

I just read some news about Iranian minister who said that the earthquakes in Iran are caused by women who practice extramartial sex. Seriously. That's some f***ed up stuff, he can't be serious. If that was the case, Finland and many other countries would already be in ruins. What also worries me is that he says that it's WOMEN's fault, I guess men can have all the sex (outside of the marriage) that they want and it's ok.
Here's a link http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/bre…y-1225854907773

Some people should come out of the dark ages already.
Sorry about this, for what I understand, clerics are a part of the government or otherwise hold high authority and this does not give me good impression .

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Tuesday, April 20th 2010, 1:23pm

He must be demented. There is no way you could validate such a ludicrous theory! Of course, only in an overly religious society could a figure like that get away with preaching such a twisted fallacy. We're no better when it comes to religious zealots spewing their intolerance in the name of morality in the West either, as I'm certain some of the prominent denominations and religious fundamentalists in our region have vindictively belittled homosexuals and other "undesirable" lifestyles that they feel are in direct violation with Gods will. It's stuff like this that I now know exacerbates our unnecessary tendency towards warfare, and a myriad of other forms of misery that could easily be prevented with some common sense and decency.

And Sbetsho's anxiety toward the expansion of Islam in the Western world is certainly comprehensible, as it's an increasingly worrying problem. Their ideas and customs are simply incompatible with our predominately moral societies that seek to provide all peoples with compassion and respect. Islam, on the other hand, treats women, homosexuals, and I'm sure transgendered people like myself, with utter contempt. Humans rights are probably breached on a day to day basis. The sooner you realize how detrimental such an outdated belief system is, you will always be universally frowned upon by the rest of the world.

To be fair though it isn't only Islam that preaches outmoded ideas. Judaism and Christianity can be just as violent and hateful as to warrant further discussion about their place in the world today. The fundamental belief in God itself can be harmless, provided that you look at it from a scientific standpoint, and avoid implementing human perceptions of right and wrong into it. I believe in God, and I have no particualr intolerance toward anyone. It really isn't that difficult to adapt.

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Tuesday, April 20th 2010, 1:25pm

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I just read some news about Iranian minister who said that the earthquakes in Iran are caused by women who practice extramartial sex. Seriously. That's some f***ed up stuff, he can't be serious. If that was the case, Finland and many other countries would already be in ruins. What also worries me is that he says that it's WOMEN's fault, I guess men can have all the sex (outside of the marriage) that they want and it's ok.
Here's a link I just read some news about Iranian minister who said that the earthquakes in Iran are caused by women who practice extramartial sex. Seriously. That's some f***ed up stuff, he can't be serious. If that was the case, Finland and many other countries would already be in ruins. What also worries me is that he says that it's WOMEN's fault, I guess men can have all the sex (outside of the marriage) that they want and it's ok.
Here's a link http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/extramarital-sex-fuels-earthquakes-warns-iran-cleric/story-fn3dxity-1225854907773

Some people should come out of the dark ages already.
Sorry about this, for what I understand, clerics are a part of the government or otherwise hold high authority and this does not give me good impression .

I agree with you ... but this news completely bullshit and lies and laughter it is harmful ... No one in Iran does not believe this nonsense ... Unfortunately, these people are highly involved in superstitions. And has nothing to Iranian people or religion Islam

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Tuesday, April 20th 2010, 1:51pm

ok,Let me tell you from Iran :

iran (Persia) Country & History :
Iran has a history 2500 years. Iranians are Aryan. One of the first civilizations in the world are formed.Iranians were the most civilized peoples of the world. The first focus of human rights in Iran 2500 years ago created.You can by Iran and ancient monument and see Persepolis.But gradually a large historical reasons, including war and colonial culture in Iran decreased.30 years ago in a religious revolution that formed the Islamic Republic wants. This very popular in the early revolution and it was good, but gradually to a dictatorship and authoritarian became.The government on its brilliant take the stench. And your opponents severely suppressed.Now in a stupid president (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) and a leader of the dictator (Sayed Ali Khamenei) there. State that America and Israel as its archenemy knows and even willing to negotiate with these countries and this is really rather is regrettable. For this reason, many countries embargoed Iran

iranian's people :
[font=&quot]The only thing I can say that the Iranian people is that the people of Iran want democracy and political freedom and social. Like Western culture, and oppose racial discrimination. And with people in Israel and America and Europe are fine. Most Iranians are Muslims but do not have any problem with other religions. The government and the Iranian government that all problem[/font]

iran's government :
[font=&quot]As I said before, the Iranian government and a dictatorship is against humanity. But the Iranian people want freedom and democracy and are friendly relations with all the world[/font]

Green Movement of Iran :
[font=&quot]Green Movement was formed about 1 year ago. Green Movement are very large group of people who are opposed to the leader and president. they want Democracy and political freedom and social. The movement claims its peaceful and democratic means and without violence, but expressed the Iranian government, the enemy knows this movement and strongly suppresses the people. people imprisoned without reason, tortured and stabbed. One of the problems America and Europe with the Iranian government is the same.[/font]

But what is Islam? Who are Muslims?
Islam strongly opposes the war.

Islam is against discrimination.

Islam strongly opposes terrorism.
Islam will never take his enemies.

Islam has no problem with other religions.

Islam human rights agrees.

Islam with democracy as such .

I hope you haven't bad views towards Iran and the Iranian people and Muslims . You should pull distinguish between the Iranian people and government. Because the people of Iran are popular philanthropist. Want freedom and democracy. But unfortunately have involved in a government dictatorships

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Dave Black, is the Green Movement Islamic?

Green Movement includes all those who oppose the government and wants democracy and human rights. In this movement there are all kinds of cortical

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Tuesday, April 20th 2010, 2:13pm

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I hope you haven't bad views towards Iran and the Iranian people and Muslims . You should pull distinguish between the Iranian people and government. Because the people of Iran are popular philanthropist. Want freedom and democracy. But unfortunately have involved in a government dictatorships

I'd be foolish to suggest that all Iranians are religious fanatics by association, as I'm simply not that closed minded. Islam is a religion that I find particularly offensive because of its outdated belief system, and the beliefs negative outlook toward those that wander outside that faith. The penalty for apostasy in Iran is death, is it not? It also imposes some pretty unpleasant rules on women as we've already covered. You can't deny that Islam is a faith that directly contradicts a civilization that wants to pride itself on the glorification of freedom and human rights. If you did in fact claim to be doing that, you'd just be sugar coating the bad bits of your faith and simply cherry picking the warm and fuzzy passages to pass Islam off as peaceful. Remember, it's not only Islam that has an horrendous backstory, for Christianity and Judaism are just as reprehensible in terms of morality. All of them are outdated. Please keep in mind that I am also not discrediting the idea of God-- I am criticizing the legitimacy of the structural human belief systems around it.

I'm sure there are citizens in Iran who advocate the replication of democracy as seen in the West, but you're currently represented by a proselytizing government that prides itself on superstition and hatred. Israel and the US are certainly no better either! I know the US has large groups of individuals in their government that believe in the fictional stories of Jesus Christ in the book of Revelation, which talks about some apocalyptic event that would mark the second coming. Freaking insane. Some people just don't grow up from their childhood indoctrination.

I know there's also been some tension about your nuclear program. If I was in charge, every country would be forced to disband these programs to come one step closer to global peace. I'm also under the impression that Iran operates a heavily top secret biological warfare program, which obviously makes a lot of people feel even more nervous about your intentions. You are treading on thin ice.

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Iranians are Aryan.

Aryan? That term is so obscure nowadays that it's practically lost all meaning. Up until about sixty years ago, the term Aryan referred to a white person (someone of European decent). I'm also aware that it's employed in India and Iran. I'd avoid that term though as it does now have a rather negative connotation.

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Tuesday, April 20th 2010, 8:01pm

Another article about this piece of news: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8631775.stm I also read Finnish news article about this. It doesn't seem to be a lie that he really said it.
""Many women who do not dress modestly lead young men astray and spread adultery in society which increases earthquakes," he said."

Hilarious, but at the same time, very sad .

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Thursday, April 22nd 2010, 2:08am

The following linked article is not related as much, but it does kinda prove how preposterous and dangerous the Muslim faith can be.

It has come to light that the infamous producers behind the controversial comedy 'South Park' have been threatened by some radical Islamists over the depiction of their prophet Muhammad in a bear costume. Just when you thought this religion and its cronies couldn't lose anymore credibility, they actually discuss the murder of Matt Stone and Trey Parker by sickly comparing them to the Dutch filmmaker that was killed in 2004 by a deluded Islamic sadist. Actually, they claimed it wasn't a threat, but a warning about the inevitability of repercussions arising from their 'stupid' actions.

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/22/arts/television/22arts-MUSLIMGROUPW_BRF.html[/url]

I would just love for this immoral faith to be removed from the West. While I do feel somewhat guilty saying all this as I am usually fairly tolerant of everyone, Islam really stretches my level of acceptability. Sorry.

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Thursday, April 22nd 2010, 12:55pm

Ditto. It's hard or impossible to accept violence, intolerance and such discrimination towards women. I'm praying for Islam to come out from the dark ages, but there's little hope for that, unfortunately. The modernization of Islam would be wonderful, I have nothing against islam, except the offense towards human rights. But we are getting off-topic here. I think I have nothing further to say as my knowledge of Iran is very limited, however when Iran is being brought up in news, it's always bad.

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Thursday, April 22nd 2010, 2:22pm

What a moron :rolleyes:

does it happen to be the president of Iran? Because due to previous quotes from him, I see him as a fool.
Seriously, who would be stupid enough to believe that women practicing sex, would be the cause of earthquakes?

hahaha, I have to laugh

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Thursday, April 22nd 2010, 9:22pm

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What a moron does it happen to be the president of Iran? Because due to previous quotes from him, I see him as a fool.
Seriously, who would be stupid enough to believe that women practicing sex, would be the cause of earthquakes? hahaha, I have to laugh

Really funny and ridiculous.

This b.a.s.t.a.r.d with these words takes dignity of Iranian people. :cursing:

Although this is not the Iranian president's remarks. But is anyone really is s.h.i.t man.
Another thing is that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not really Iranian president . He was president of fraud. And the president turns to protest election results and killed in prison.
and another thing is that this speech is not related to Islam. This is not Islamic beliefs.
However, I hope you do not think the Iranian people are stupid. Those who are stupid and dishonest is politicians of Iran.

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Thursday, April 22nd 2010, 10:52pm

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I hope you do not think the Iranian people are stupid. Those who are stupid and dishonest is politicians of Iran.

Most certainly not, Dave.

I have expressed some provocative thoughts on the Islamic faith without taking into account that most Muslims are peaceful people looking to live their lives in the same way that we are. The radical percentage is far lower than the harmless majority. It only becomes a problem when the vitriolic few begin spewing their religious fanaticism to corrupt and manipulate the honest ones who merely want to peacefully assimilate. It also becomes problematic when these people seem to threaten our governments and icons because their merely exerting their right to free speech. We in the West pride ourselves on these privileges, and no alien religion is going to snatch that away from us.

But that's a different topic. Indeed, it seems your government is behaving in a rather childish fashion, which is in turn reflecting badly on the innocent public. Irrespective of that, I'm aware that being naturally proud of your nation of origin is something you cannot usually override-- even if your government is continuously tarnishing your name. I'm assuming you're opposed to your nation obtaining the technology and ability to create a nuclear arsenal? Are you also opposed to Iran's production of other forms of weaponry that many would be considerably intimidated by? These are issues that I'm sure your faced with on a daily basis.

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Thursday, April 22nd 2010, 11:44pm

thanks May,You're really open-minded

Yes. I now disagree with any nuclear activity in iran. Because if it is peaceful but for our country is still useful. Because right now on Iran is very keen sensitivity. And our government should not be stimulate the West further . It makes more sanctions for iran. And perhaps be war. And in this situation only harm innocent People.