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Tuesday, October 25th 2005, 9:58pm

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Tuesday, October 25th 2005, 10:45pm

i really dont care if scooter is creative or not thats not why i like them in the first place. i like them becuase i like the music. scooter is just a bunch of guys having fun and making money along the way. i dont see anything wrong with that.

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Tuesday, October 25th 2005, 10:48pm

Who don't like the current Scooter must only don't hear them and don't disturb us.
It's easy :D

Wir haben die Nase voll von dummen Komentar :evil:


Wieviel kostet den Fisch??
I'm mentally mad!!

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Tuesday, October 25th 2005, 10:57pm

Re: The reason for Scooter's lack of creativity

Quoted from ""Scobom X""

Quoted from ""Mr Hyper""

I think everyone has recognized that Scooter have made a lot of covers and songs according to a certain scheme since Nessaja. But we have never really talked about the reasons for Scooter's lack of creativity.
In my opinion Scooter have changed their way to create songs. In the past, especially in the first chapter they were inspired by bands and djs like ultrasonic, the klf and so on... inspired by the fun of experimentation and the techno feeling at the beginning of the 90s they started to create their own songs- I think they made experiments, examinated different techiques and sounds and did everything to make their songs perfect. They were also a bit more restless than today- after some tracks in the same style they felt that theyy had to do something new (f. e. "Break it up")- so they did what they liked and made the product as good as possible until they were fascinated by their own songs- the commercial success was more a kind of "byproduct" because people were also fascinated by scooter's songs. Then the second chapter came- and Scooter's big success decreased- even really good tracks like f##k the Millenium didn't reach the German Top10. I'm your pusher and She's the Sun were the lowest point in their discography. Further Scooter had always been ignored or hated by many important people and djs though they made good and creative tracks.
Then, with Nessaja, they found some kind of formula to be successful and produce easily: take an old chorus from another song, use a vocoder to have a cooler voice, use self-praising-rap-like-shouts to show all the haters that you are the winner ("I'm bigger and bolder.."/"Who's got the last laugh now"), put some piano parts or stolen sounds in it and the new chart hit is finished. So i think Scooter discovered a new way to produce: instead of experiments, enthusiasm and hard work until you have a good product they already decide about the style of a new single before they produce it and then they look for the different parts to create the song they have planned- they look for a chorus in old songs, they look for good sounds and keyboard melows in other techno sounds and last but not least Hp puts his vocals in the song. For a long time they had success with that way but now the songs in this fix scheme become boring: HP shouts during the whole bass parts, a stolen chorus, stolen keyboard melodies that sound the same and always the same construction of a track.


Another Scooter philosopher :roll:

Listen, if Scooter is boring for you it's best time to change your music inclination, don't you think?

You should know that Scooter ripped melodies always (in 1st chapter and in 2nd chapter), and many great melodies are created by them also (like in "Hello! (Good To Be Back)".

This is another negative called topic. You should call it "What do you think about Scooter creativity?".

Then my answer would be:
After 11 years I still can find on every new album something fresh, something new, something that kick my ass, something for what I started to listen Scooter in 1994.

So for me Scooter presents big creativity on every album.

Things like Starsplash, Jan Wayne, Groove Coverage - their music is lack of creativity for me.


No, you misunderstand me: i like tracks "Hello" very much and I was even singing "Suavemente" on parties when I was drunk, but as an objective and critical fan I have discovered some things that I (and other people also, that's why the success in Germany is decreasing at the moment) don't like and that could be dangerous for Scooter's status on the long run.
But Mr Hyper is not the kind of fan who always demands albums and singles in the style of a certain period (e. g. developer always wants a new "Back to the Heavyweight Jam").

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Tuesday, October 25th 2005, 11:06pm

Re: The reason for Scooter's lack of creativity

Quoted from ""Mr Hyper""

as an objective and critical fan I have discovered some things that I (and other people also, that's why the success in Germany is decreasing at the moment) don't like and that could be dangerous for Scooter's status on the long run.


Let's say that "Hello! (Good To Be Back)" will enter German charts at #15-20.
And this is what you're calling "success decreasing"?

Blank & Jones new single "Revealed" enter German charts at #90. So this is what I can call "success decreasing". But who cares? I don't.

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Tuesday, October 25th 2005, 11:12pm

Quoted from ""Magic Voice""

f##k Topic! I donīt know why you must open it. Every Topic where fans write about new songs etc. is contaminates with posts from "fans" who are always write that they donīt like Scooter.
Have you heared MTG or TSTE? If you say "Yes" I think you had something with your eares!? I donīt understand if you can they it isnīt creativ work. Would you say, that Stripped, All I wanna do, Jigga Jigga ect. sounds same? There are cool and fresh songs on it. The newest LPs from Scooter are more different in the sound than the first CDs. My meaning with the covering, if this is generelly the right word for that what Scooter do, is totally agreed with Scobom X and Dave f.S.! MR. Hyper write that it was cool, that Scooter are inspered by Ultrasonic and others and now it is S##t if they take some melodies of other tracks. If you think that all singles since Nessaja have the same style, so you also can say, that f##k the Millenium, Call me manane or How much is the Fish, have the same style. And if Scooter do something other for a single (like Shake that or Suavemente) the same guys are the first who are talking the songs bad. I also must laugh about the critic that Scooter always use self-praising lyrics. How many Scooter-Tracks do you know? Scooter always used it and self-ironic to play with the meaning of the critics of the Band. Just laugh about your topic and your post, MR Hyper!


i laugh about you, male groupie!
i LIKE the new songs, but it is fact that there was more diversity in the former tracks and the German people is recognizing that: Suavemente was only rank 22 Helo will be no top ten entry.
And I've never said that Scooter should change their style, the only thing I demand is more variety WITHIN the typical Scooter style, for example:

Move your ass and Hyper hyper where typical Scooter singles which were based on HP's shouts- the construction was nearly the same, but MYAss was faster and a bit harder.
Then Scooter had the feeling that they had to do something different and Friends was born: In contrast to Hyper hyper "Friends" wasn't based on HP shouts, no, it was based on melody, HP's shouts appeared only seldom. But that was not the only new element: instead of the typical construction "Shouting Part-Chorus-SPart-Chorus-"Hardcore Part (Yeah we want some posse/STand up!)-Chorus they had three main parts- the HPV chorus, the bass part ("we gonna make you harder nsk nsk nsk") AND the main melody")- on the whole we had a fresh, over 4-minute-long and surprising song. But nevertheless Scooter didn't change their characteristic features like the hard and fast beats, HP's shouts in general and great mellows that you can't get out of your ear. Then in Endless Summer they used the smae construction (3 main parts) but this time with more HP shouts (as a difference to "Friends") and that female "aaaaaaahhhh"-voice

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Tuesday, October 25th 2005, 11:21pm

Quoted from ""Mr Hyper""

Quoted from ""Magic Voice""

f##k Topic! I donīt know why you must open it. Every Topic where fans write about new songs etc. is contaminates with posts from "fans" who are always write that they donīt like Scooter.
Have you heared MTG or TSTE? If you say "Yes" I think you had something with your eares!? I donīt understand if you can they it isnīt creativ work. Would you say, that Stripped, All I wanna do, Jigga Jigga ect. sounds same? There are cool and fresh songs on it. The newest LPs from Scooter are more different in the sound than the first CDs. My meaning with the covering, if this is generelly the right word for that what Scooter do, is totally agreed with Scobom X and Dave f.S.! MR. Hyper write that it was cool, that Scooter are inspered by Ultrasonic and others and now it is S##t if they take some melodies of other tracks. If you think that all singles since Nessaja have the same style, so you also can say, that f##k the Millenium, Call me manane or How much is the Fish, have the same style. And if Scooter do something other for a single (like Shake that or Suavemente) the same guys are the first who are talking the songs bad. I also must laugh about the critic that Scooter always use self-praising lyrics. How many Scooter-Tracks do you know? Scooter always used it and self-ironic to play with the meaning of the critics of the Band. Just laugh about your topic and your post, MR Hyper!


i laugh about you, male groupie!
i LIKE the new songs, but it is fact that there was more diversity in the former tracks and the German people is recognizing that: Suavemente was only rank 22 Helo will be no top ten entry.
And I've never said that Scooter should change their style, the only thing I demand is more variety WITHIN the typical Scooter style, for example:

Move your ass and Hyper hyper where typical Scooter singles which were based on HP's shouts- the construction was nearly the same, but MYAss was faster and a bit harder.
Then Scooter had the feeling that they had to do something different and Friends was born: In contrast to Hyper hyper "Friends" wasn't based on HP shouts, no, it was based on melody, HP's shouts appeared only seldom. But that was not the only new element: instead of the typical construction "Shouting Part-Chorus-SPart-Chorus-"Hardcore Part (Yeah we want some posse/STand up!)-Chorus they had three main parts- the HPV chorus, the bass part ("we gonna make you harder nsk nsk nsk") AND the main melody")- on the whole we had a fresh, over 4-minute-long and surprising song. But nevertheless Scooter didn't change their characteristic features like the hard and fast beats, HP's shouts in general and great mellows that you can't get out of your ear. Then in Endless Summer they used the smae construction (3 main parts) but this time with more HP shouts (as a difference to "Friends") and that female "aaaaaaahhhh"-voice


sorry, i have to go on, have pushed the button too early.
Then, after two typical tracks un the classic style (back in the UK; Let me be your Valentine) HP started to sing (I'm raving/Rebel Yell/Break it up) and in the end of the fisrt chapter they even invented the "metal-techno" with fire. and in the second chapter they had those hymns like "How much is the fish" or "I'm your pusher", electro tracks "We are the greatest" and they even changed the sound of HP's voice: partly different vocoder vocals (Fuck the millenium/remedy/acid bomb) and prtly clear voice (I'm your pusher").
But in the third chapter: always the same vocoder voice in each song except Stripped, always the same construction "Shouting Part- chorus-SP-C-"Hardcore Part" (like a shotgun../on world on people in da conference/straight between the eyes life without knowledge/hola una cerveza una cerveeeza/the only way to have a friend..)-chorus, a lot of ripped melodies, similar keyboard melodies in One and Hello, rows of similar tracks (at first Nessaja-Weekend-The Night then Maria-One-Hello).
I still like the new songs but they also create doubts inside me!

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Tuesday, October 25th 2005, 11:24pm

Quoted from ""Mr Hyper""

Quoted from ""Mr Hyper""

Quoted from ""Magic Voice""

f##k Topic! I donīt know why you must open it. Every Topic where fans write about new songs etc. is contaminates with posts from "fans" who are always write that they donīt like Scooter.
Have you heared MTG or TSTE? If you say "Yes" I think you had something with your eares!? I donīt understand if you can they it isnīt creativ work. Would you say, that Stripped, All I wanna do, Jigga Jigga ect. sounds same? There are cool and fresh songs on it. The newest LPs from Scooter are more different in the sound than the first CDs. My meaning with the covering, if this is generelly the right word for that what Scooter do, is totally agreed with Scobom X and Dave f.S.! MR. Hyper write that it was cool, that Scooter are inspered by Ultrasonic and others and now it is S##t if they take some melodies of other tracks. If you think that all singles since Nessaja have the same style, so you also can say, that f##k the Millenium, Call me manane or How much is the Fish, have the same style. And if Scooter do something other for a single (like Shake that or Suavemente) the same guys are the first who are talking the songs bad. I also must laugh about the critic that Scooter always use self-praising lyrics. How many Scooter-Tracks do you know? Scooter always used it and self-ironic to play with the meaning of the critics of the Band. Just laugh about your topic and your post, MR Hyper!


i laugh about you, male groupie!
i LIKE the new songs, but it is fact that there was more diversity in the former tracks and the German people is recognizing that: Suavemente was only rank 22 Helo will be no top ten entry.
And I've never said that Scooter should change their style, the only thing I demand is more variety WITHIN the typical Scooter style, for example:

Move your ass and Hyper hyper where typical Scooter singles which were based on HP's shouts- the construction was nearly the same, but MYAss was faster and a bit harder.
Then Scooter had the feeling that they had to do something different and Friends was born: In contrast to Hyper hyper "Friends" wasn't based on HP shouts, no, it was based on melody, HP's shouts appeared only seldom. But that was not the only new element: instead of the typical construction "Shouting Part-Chorus-SPart-Chorus-"Hardcore Part (Yeah we want some posse/STand up!)-Chorus they had three main parts- the HPV chorus, the bass part ("we gonna make you harder nsk nsk nsk") AND the main melody")- on the whole we had a fresh, over 4-minute-long and surprising song. But nevertheless Scooter didn't change their characteristic features like the hard and fast beats, HP's shouts in general and great mellows that you can't get out of your ear. Then in Endless Summer they used the smae construction (3 main parts) but this time with more HP shouts (as a difference to "Friends") and that female "aaaaaaahhhh"-voice


sorry, i have to go on, have pushed the button too early.
Then, after two typical tracks un the classic style (back in the UK; Let me be your Valentine) HP started to sing (I'm raving/Rebel Yell/Break it up) and in the end of the fisrt chapter they even invented the "metal-techno" with fire. and in the second chapter they had those hymns like "How much is the fish" or "I'm your pusher", electro tracks "We are the greatest" and they even changed the sound of HP's voice: partly different vocoder vocals (f##k the millenium/remedy/acid bomb) and prtly clear voice (I'm your pusher").
But in the third chapter: always the same vocoder voice in each song except Stripped, always the same construction "Shouting Part- chorus-SP-C-"Hardcore Part" (like a shotgun../on world on people in da conference/straight between the eyes life without knowledge/hola una cerveza una cerveeeza/the only way to have a friend..)-chorus, a lot of ripped melodies, similar keyboard melodies in One and Hello, rows of similar tracks (at first Nessaja-Weekend-The Night then Maria-One-Hello).
I still like the new songs but they also create doubts inside me!


Couldn't say it better. :D
Waiting for albums from Way Out West, Sasha, Second Sun, Airwave, BT, Quivver, Pendulum, Solarstone, Röyksopp and Massive Attack


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Tuesday, October 25th 2005, 11:35pm

Re: The reason for Scooter's lack of creativity

Quoted from ""Scobom X""

Quoted from ""Mr Hyper""

as an objective and critical fan I have discovered some things that I (and other people also, that's why the success in Germany is decreasing at the moment) don't like and that could be dangerous for Scooter's status on the long run.


Let's say that "Hello! (Good To Be Back)" will enter German charts at #15-20.
And this is what you're calling "success decreasing"?

Blank & Jones new single "Revealed" enter German charts at #90. So this is what I can call "success decreasing". But who cares? I don't.


if you take a look at the recent positions- Nessaja No. 1, Weekend No. 2, THe night, Jigga Jigga- No 10, Shake That!-No 8, One- No 7 and Maria No 4, Suavemente and Hello are showing a decreasing success!
But the lack of creativity is not only a Scooter problem, Scooter are (in comparison to Jan Wayne, Starsplash etc) one of the most creative techno producers, it's a general problem of techno- or why do you think Starsplash were only rank 66 with the HPV-Single No. 12345 "Hardstyle my style"

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Tuesday, October 25th 2005, 11:47pm

Finally my conclusion: I love the typical Scooter style and I llike HP's hsouts very much and I hope that they will never change their charatceristic elements (hrad bass, fast beats, wondeful mellows, cool shouts) in the future and i don't want SCooter to discover a new muisc genre or to create a wonder.
I want only a bit more variety within the Scooter style: different vocoder voices (what about a single in the style of "remedy"?), in some typical tracks also HP's clear voice again, more parts and different rows of them (3 main parts like in Fuck the Millenium or Endless Summer), here and there a single that is longer than 4 minutes like in the past, another electro or ballad single and more different keyboard melodies, some songs where HP shouts a lot, some in which he shouts only seldom and so on.
Are those demands really so diffuicult to realize? Am I a hater just because of those demands?

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 12:29am

*applauds*

Hyper's right! Many people might not care - but it is the reality.
"In the pressure of the situation, I won't let my tongue get tied
A silent voice in the congregation, I refuse to live a lie"
Angelic - Can't Keep Me Silent

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 12:41am

Quoted from ""developer""

Quoted from ""Xer""

OK,Developer,for the sake of you leaving us alone,let's say,you converted us that music from 3rd chapter is S##t and I and the rest of the "fanatics" agree with you.
Now what? What is your course of action? What did you achieve by this?
You're going dancing on the ceiling? You gonna sing Halleluyah? What?


now what? nothing. i dont care

If you don't care,so shut up and stop drilling our brains with your anti-3rd chapter propaganda.
TURN UP THE BLASTER,
AND HEAR THE SHOUTS OF BAXXTER

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 12:43am

Re: The reason for Scooter's lack of creativity

Quoted from ""Mr Hyper""

Quoted from ""Scobom X""

Quoted from ""Mr Hyper""

as an objective and critical fan I have discovered some things that I (and other people also, that's why the success in Germany is decreasing at the moment) don't like and that could be dangerous for Scooter's status on the long run.


Let's say that "Hello! (Good To Be Back)" will enter German charts at #15-20.
And this is what you're calling "success decreasing"?

Blank & Jones new single "Revealed" enter German charts at #90. So this is what I can call "success decreasing". But who cares? I don't.


if you take a look at the recent positions- Nessaja No. 1, Weekend No. 2, THe night, Jigga Jigga- No 10, Shake That!-No 8, One- No 7 and Maria No 4, Suavemente and Hello are showing a decreasing success!


Blank & Jones singles like "Mind Of The Wonderful" were top 20...

About your conclusion:

So you don't like Scooter nowdays, OK, It's your thing.

By the way, who the hell call you hater?

@pjad uk:

Reality for me it's what I think and what I see. So we have different realities
:lol:
You can't say that the only truth and reality is YOUR opinion.

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 12:44am

Err....didn't The Logical Song start off the 3rd chapter trend, not Nessaja?
We started in 1994....in 2012 we're still on the case!!!

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 1:09am

But the Logical song was still with Axel.
3rd chapter counts as the first single which introduced Jay as a 3rd member.
Also in PTBFTJ, Ramp is included,thus it's a 2nd chapter track.
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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 1:15am

Re: The reason for Scooter's lack of creativity

Quoted from ""Scobom X""



About your conclusion:

So you don't like Scooter nowdays, OK, It's your thing.



If you read what he says carefully he doesn't actually say that. He, like me, just wants them to be less predictable and more inventive when it comes to structures and methods.

Quoted from ""Scobom X""



@pjad uk:

Reality for me it's what I think and what I see. So we have different realities
:lol:
You can't say that the only truth and reality is YOUR opinion.


Well, in a way you are right. When it comes to opinions there is no truth or reality. There is only one reality - how we view and an4lyse reality is the personal and subjective part. But in this case, for me, many of the things Hyper describes are pretty accurate depictions of reality... Such as the variation in structures in tracks like F*ck The Millennium and Endless Summer. The use of different electronic vocal styles like in We Are The Greatest. Releasing slower tracks like Break It Up, She's The Sun and No Fate as singles. Having singles closer to 4 mins like I'm Your Pusher. It's these little variations and subtleties that are needed to keep the audience on it's toes.
"In the pressure of the situation, I won't let my tongue get tied
A silent voice in the congregation, I refuse to live a lie"
Angelic - Can't Keep Me Silent

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 1:21am

Quoted from ""theavenger""

Only fanatics can ignore this fact. And you ask why somebody did again such a topic? That's a sign that many people think so. YOU CAN SEE IT ALSO AT MY POLL

Poll :: WHICH PRODUCER TEAM IS THE WORST FOR YOU

H.P. RICK JAY FROG
66% [ 20 ]
H.P. RICK AXEL COON
13% [ 4 ]
H.P. RICK FERRIS BUELLER
20% [ 6 ]


How many times did you have to repeat your vote in order to get the results you wanted?

Fanatics? That's why you won't let this go at all? But of course, you're not the fanatic. Everyone who disagrees with you is right?

Why won't any of you grasp the fact that Scooter will never make the music you want them to? They make the music they choose to make and only that. They aren't going to sit and cater to everyone's childish and selfish needs. They make the music they want to make. And I love all of it. Jay is my favorite member of the group and to have one group of people point fingers at him is really starting to piss me off. His addition added so much maturity to their sound, something Axel wasn't even able to do. Their music finally sounds so experienced that each single and song is a bonafide masterpiece. All of you people who sit and say "Jay made the group crappy!" are the most unintelligent ignorant people I have ever met. Do you really think that the group would make a change like that based on one member? If anything, they all sat down and decided. And hell, even then, I don't consider any of these songs covers because covers are 1:1 copies and Scooter's tracks are far from.

Scooter, I love everything you guys do. Your music, your attitude, and your will when even your "fans" turn your back on you. Never give up, the Scooter posse will rock on with you for many years to come.

As they said: "We keep it strong. Never be weak. No surrender, no retreat."

- Will

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 1:37am

Quoted from ""RockTheNation""

Quoted from ""theavenger""

Only fanatics can ignore this fact. And you ask why somebody did again such a topic? That's a sign that many people think so. YOU CAN SEE IT ALSO AT MY POLL

Poll :: WHICH PRODUCER TEAM IS THE WORST FOR YOU

H.P. RICK JAY FROG
66% [ 20 ]
H.P. RICK AXEL COON
13% [ 4 ]
H.P. RICK FERRIS BUELLER
20% [ 6 ]

How many times did you have to repeat your vote in order to get the results you wanted?

Fanatics? You're an idiot. That's why you won't let this go at all? But of course, you're not the fanatic. Everyone who disagrees with you is right?

- Will


yes i repeated my vote 20 times you should do that also and tell me if it works. do you really think i'm the only one who don't like third chapter with jay frog? Idiot? You're the idiot cause you are only angry because you personally don't like the result. If you are not fanatic you wouldn't flip out this way and could accept the bad result. but you ignore reality and getting angry cause you can't stand it typical for fanatics.

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Wednesday, October 26th 2005, 1:45am

Quoted from ""RockTheNation""


Scooter, I love everything you guys do.


those statements are totally fanatic if you say you love everything they do without any judgment before
that's the same like people which say i'm not fanatic but they pre order cds before hearing just 1 second